Awareness level re War in Solar system

[unipax]

Who else knows about War in Solar system ?

The first I heard of it was Hoagland telling about Van Flandren's conclusion that the system wide imbalance / wobble is due to the missing planet (asteroid belt) and Hoagie said WHAT could possibly destroy a planet. Seems Hoagland always stops around there.

So now I am asking, besides present company, who else is acknowledging the war, or at least hinting ? I dont see it at AV or Avalon.
Is it discussed anywhere else?

I mean in the mainstream also ... in other words I gather that whistleblowers point away from it ... sure, but I wonder how many rank and file astronomers and others in position to know see the truth?

Knowing the answer to this could help in spreading the truth, assuming that is a good thing to do, which is the reason for transliteration, yes?

Once upon a time I asked some pointed questions of a Dutch astronomer who worked at the joint US Euro Mauna kea Observatory. She got nervous and clammed up, kinda laughing me off.

Well I guess she and they got jobs families and pensions etc to worry about.

[unipax]

the joint US Euro Mauna kea Observatory.

No such thing I think.
I meant the Canada-France-Hawaii observatory at Mauna Kea.
Anyway she worked up there. I thought I'd get somewhere with the numerous astronomers that were accessible in Hilo, but they were not talking.

[Gale]

Do a search of the net and you will find out.

Don’t kid yourself, all the hierarchy of governments, military, religions, science, they all know. The one piece of information they did not know until fairly recently was just who they were dealing with, the ET’s here are the Losers of that war. They are the bad guys.
Considering the level of technology and defence back in the 1940-50 when Eisenhower had his alleged meeting with one or more factions of ET’s, it is understandable the treaty would be considered a surrender treaty. That still doesn’t make it right but we didn’t have any counter defence that would even remotely compare with the magnitude of what had been used in our solar system, we still don’t. So bartering with human lives for technology was the route they took.

Hoagland started his examination of Iapetus in 2005 but has still not put up his conclusions. He was given an image from NASA of Iapetus that was and still has not been released to the public, according to the last time I looked into the image database and emailed them regarding that particular image, so right there that lets you know even he is on a short leash of information release.
Moon With A View (http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm)
Have you not listened to the whistleblowers testimonies about agendas?

Transliteration of un-translated words in the Document is to help honest investigators understand what the Document really says without the religious overtones/baggage that has been misused.

[Norval]

When Gale and I started the research on CS crater chains back in the spring of 2002 we held off telling anyone but one NASA head honcho. In the spring of 2003 we released the information out onto the web and the world by snail mail, e-mail, and faxes. Over three hundred were sent out to all top government officials, scientists, SETI, and so on. Not one response. But, there was one hell of an exodus by scientists and officials leaving for out of the way places over the next 6 months. :)

[sfth13]

I have a question. I've been looking around the net trying to see if there are any crater chains here on Earth..and all i find is this:

http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~bottke/crater_chain/chain.html

these look nothing like the crater chains that are on the moons in our solar system. so i'm thinking there are none. YET! if there is, is there a site for them? .. plus if this guy thinks that the Shoemaker Levy -9 broke up into exactly the same size pieces he must be crazy!.
Because if the crater chains were formed by asteroids I would think they would also be here on Earth... this backs up my belief in the war in our solar system.. am i on the right track?

[Gale]

Yes, Bottke’s et. al. rubble pile asteroid theory will not make Concise and Systematic Crater Chains. Bottke’s modelling program and the newer developed program from a group in Europe both agree their programs cannot simulate these crater chains.
There are claims of crater chains here on Earth but the craters are thousands of miles apart and on different continents, not shoulder to shoulder as Concise and Systematic Crater Chains are. But, that is not to say there are not CS crater chains on Earth. There are remnants of them to be found and there was an image released by the new surface penetrating radar imaging satellite. Give me a minute or two to find my saved copy of that image.

[Gale]

Unique Imagery, NOAA, Operation Significant Event Imagery (http://www.osei.noaa.gov/Events/Unique/Other/2004/?C=M;O=D)

The full size image:
Unalaska Island (http://earthsbanner.com/Images/UNIunalaska343MO.jpg)

[sfth13]

That's what I thought.. thanks Gale for the Clarification/confirmation.. it's just obvious if it was asteroids we would see the same thing here too.. since it's not, it proves the research by you and Norval

[Gale]

sfth13, if the cratering in our solar system was made by asteroids, where are any of the impacters?

[sfth13]

didn't think of that one.. there seems to be nothing but craters and the ocasional splat of discoloration of whatever was hit on the ground.i'm still trying to imagine the weapon system that did this.. it must be huge..:eek:

[Gale]

Have to stretch your mind for that one. A word comes to mind – magnitude.
Just imagine the power that Jesus has, and then compare that to the weapons countries on Earth are trying to implement. It is almost laughable.

[sfth13]

sort of like a water pistol compared to a cruise missle...

[unipax]

..... there was one hell of an exodus by scientists and officials leaving for out of the way places over the next 6 months. :)

I'm wondering why .... do you mean they went to observatories / projects etc?

Where and why did they go places?

[unipax]

Don’t kid yourself, all the hierarchy of governments, military, religions, science, they all know.

yeah, I would expect that to be the case, but they are not publicizing it
therefore I was actually just wondering if you guys know of others publicizing it besides yourselves.

For example as I said Hoagland seems to point to it but not say it, as you say he is on a leash.

I guess I'm wondering why so many dont go there. Are they all on a leash?
Maybe many of them are part of cover up.

Maybe Hoagland would tell all if he was not on a leash?
I've always wondered about him ie is he for full disclosure or is he part of the limited disclosure / disinfo


Hey thanks both for your various responses I see here today.

[unipax]

I was reviewing your posts and found this which is helpful:

While doing the CS crater chain research we found that "in person" 1% of the people we
have talked with vehemently agreed that these concise and systematic chains of craters
are caused by a comet or asteroid. 99% agreed with us that this was literally impossible
to have happened by "chance".

On the internet forums of science, astronomy, and S.E.T.I. sites we found the exact
opposite. We, and the very few that agreed with us, were mercilessly set upon by IAC
agents (thought police) and the Bad ET's, so called "professional skeptics and
debunkers". Gale and I were "literally" killed, hell, we got slaughtered.

That was a major wake up call about these agents on the web.

Who SOLD OUT Who?
The "Sell Out", or bending to the powers that be, has kept them, and their loved ones,
"safe". Several sites we posted our information about the CS crater chain research are
gone, or our posts were removed. Yes, we stand by the bible's explanation of "why" all
this is going on. We found it is the only source of reliable true information to base the
"why" of what we see in the world today.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=2094

Over the years we have been in contact with people from all over the world. Scientists,
mathematicians, theologians, you can pretty much name the fields of learning and we have
had to talk to them as our research spanned such a broad base. Many of them are, or
have left the US. Some were not allowed to leave, or were "called back", even forced to
return.

Now, all of a sudden, we are seeing a turn around by some of those agents, but not the
Bad ET's as they just want all humans dead. What we are now seeing is some of the PtB
seem to think it is time for this information to be allowed out. Bill and Kerry's Avalon
forum appears to be the means of delivery for this information. With or with out their
knowledge. So, with this in mind I do apologize for saying they "sold out", when in fact it
seems to me this information that Gale and I have been providing is vital to the Ground
Crew. IF the bible is really about the UFO/ET connection, then it also contains the
information about what needs to be done to prepare ourselves for Disclosure Day, and
after. Bill, and Kerry, should have banned me, but didn't. That said allot.

[unipax]

I have a request/suggestion.
Why not put the basic info (below) in a sticky somewhere prominent for all newcomers to find, like in N&G's research section?

I refer to this stuff:

The Bible, It's About Disclosure
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=2094
The Bible, Our Conclusion by Norval and Gale
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=5854
The Bibles Signs in our Sky's.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=5187
Recent War in our Solar System by Norval and Gale.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=3194
Calm down and read it.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=4423
Search for Truth - Amnesty or Vengeance?
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=3264
The Open letter to Bill and Kerry
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=4115

[Norval]

Gale and I are working on web pages of this information for earthsbanner.com, but there are only two of us up to speed on all this tie-in with the Document at this point in time. One of the head honchos at NASA told us "He who runs the fastest, runs the loneliest." He was quite correct.

[whitecrow]

I've recently done some reading on the electric universe theory...is it not possible that CS crater chains are, along with certain other surface features, evidence of electrical arcing that are natural in origin? What other than circumstantial evidence is there that these are the result of weapons?

[Norval]

"circumstantial"
Far from that, as these are the facts of hard evidence discovered so far;
1. Radiation levels higher in the more cratered regions.
2. We can duplicate, perfectly, the smaller CS crater chains, but, only with our atomic weapons capabilities of today.
3. Only thermonuclear weapons can create specific types of "signatures" in the material found in the craters researched on earth, the moon, and Mars.
4. That there are bodies basically untouched by craters and ones that are completely cratered many times over, and over, and over. As we do in war.

It is all based on possibilities and probabilities. Many possibilities, few probabilities. Thus based on the known facts a Sol System War has taken place. IMHO

As Zorgons signature states,

""The louder the opposition protests, the more I know I am on the right track"
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Arthur Schopenhauer"

, and I am in FULL agreement with, because of the attitude of posters, I.E. IAC agents and bad ETs on the web, verses the real life people we have shared this research with, this has the highest probability of being correct.

As for the EU theory (thunderbolts.com) et all, pure :bsflag:

Two things are known to be good insulators;
1. Distance
2. Vacuum
Both of which "space" is full of.

[whitecrow]

As for the EU theory (thunderbolts.com) et all, pure :bsflag:

Two things are known to be good insulators;
1. Distance
2. Vacuum
Both of which "space" is full of.

Okay, but doesn't that assume that space is truly empty? And isn't distance relative? It isn't so much that I doubt your theory, as much as I want to understand why the other hypotheses are BS. I'm a simple guy, struggling to understand things that are admittedly over my head...I'm not satisfied by a simple statement that a theory is BS. I agree that your theory has strong evidence. But don't we have to eliminate the alternatives? I realize that has been done to your satisfaction, but I'm still ignorant. Help me out here, please.

[Norval]

Two things are known to be good insulators;
1. Distance
2. Vacuum
Both of which "space" is full of.

Just basic physics, elementary electricity 101.
But by all means if war is not the answer for you, keep looking. :)