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zorgon
12-13-2008, 11:12 AM
This should be a sticky...

I hear a lot of talk about money and the state of the economy... yet most people I talk to have no understand of what money is...

Here is a 45 minute presentation that puts it into very easy to understand terms.

I highly suggest you all take the time to look at this. It will 'enlighten' you, shock you, but leave you with REAL knowledge of how the world of money works












Share this with all your friends...

The recent fear mongering telling people that banks will fail...if people buy into that fear and go to the banks to pull their money, it WILL cause a bank run and thus trigger a collapse...

So it is the fear mongers that will cause the system to fail... ask yourself WHY?

When the Government created the bailout... I heard the 'fear mongers' scrable to answer people why there was NO COLLAPSE.

What was said was that it didn't happen because they decided to do NOTHING in otherwords they made NO CHANGES to the system in the film,

People then were led to believe that this was BAD for the average man on the street.

BUT what the "DO NOTHING" did was leave deposit insurance set at 100,000.00. The Rich wanted that increased...

Now think about this logically... HOW MANY 'man on the street' do YOU know that have more than 100 G in the bank?

Uh huh thought so... and even if they had a bit more than that... open two accounts... the protection is per account not per person.

So the DO NOTHING does NOT effect the average person at all, it only effects the rich

Government spent 700 billion to help keep things status quo?

BIG DEAL We spend more than that every year on the Iraqi 'Freedom Movement' (No its NOT a war... we are not at war with Iraq, or Afghanistan)

We also have LOST 3.5 TRILLION dollars the Pentagon cannot account for... and 25% of DoD spending is also 'unaccounted' for.

This was announced on CNN by Rumsfeld on Sept 10th 2001. when he called for an investigation to get to the bottom of this..

We all know what happened the very next day...

Bush goes on National TV and asks for BILLIONS more to "Get them Terrorists"

Couple points to think about...

The investigation of ENRON and other companies, along with all the records of wrong doing, where housed in WTC 7

Have we heard what happened to ENRON since? We all forget the big scandal?

The investigation on the missing TRILLIONS was 'rumored' to be housed in the wing of the Pentagon hat was 'hit' I say 'rumored' because I have not yet found independent confirmation of this one, unlike the WTC 7 data

9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon



McKinney Grills Rumsfeld



So now you know all about MONEY

:clap::clap::clap:

Heretic
12-13-2008, 01:11 PM
If the World Bankers were to lose their power of controlling the money of world governments, then there would be hell to pay. There have been two American presidents to wrest control away from the bankers and use the US treasury to print money. Lincoln and Kennedy:

Lincoln

During the Civil War President Lincoln needed money to finance the War from the North. The Bankers were going to charge him 24% to 36% interest. So in 1862 Congress passed the Legal Tender Act enabling Lincoln to print money outside of the bank's control and printed roughly 4 million in Greenbacks. He was assassinated shortly after the War ended.

Thereafter, Congress revoked the Greenback Law and enacted, in its place, the National Banking Act. The national banks were to be privately owned and the national bank notes they issued were to be interest bearing. The Act also provided that the Greenbacks should be retired from circulation as soon as they came back to the Treasury in payment of taxes.

In 1972, the United States Treasury Department was asked to compute the amount of interest that would have been paid if that 400 million dollars would have been borrowed at interest instead of being issued by Abraham Lincoln. They did some computations, and a few weeks later, the United States Treasury Department said the United States Government saved 4 billion dollars in interest because Lincoln had created his own money. So you can about imagine how much the Government has paid and how much we owe solely on the basis of interest.Kennedy

On June 4th, 1963, President Kennedy signed a presidential document, called Executive Order 11110, which further amended Executive Order 10289 of September 19th, 1951. This gave Kennedy, as President of the United States, legal clearance to create his own money to run the country, money that would belong to the people, an Interest and debt-free money. He had printed United States Notes, completely ignoring the Federal Reserve Notes from the private banks of the Federal Reserve.

Records show that Kennedy issued over 4 billion of cash money. But it was only a few months later, In November of 1963, that the world received the shocking news of President Kennedy's assassination. It is interesting to note that, only one day after Kennedy's assassination, all the United States notes, which Kennedy had issued, were called out of circulation.I would also recommend watching Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism which deals with the IRS and how absolutely illegal it is behaving and the 19th amendment issue.

America: Freedom to Fascism (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&ei=ihFESZ6NDpycrAKv3bXoDA&q=America%3A+Freedom+to+Fascism)

sfth13
12-13-2008, 01:18 PM
Heretic I think that's the 16th amendment that wasn't properly ratified.. the 19th I believe was the right to Vote.. But that fact the Federal Income tax is Illegal say's it all..

The Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States was never ratified by a majority of the sovereign States.

This is the Amendment that allegedly entitled the Federal Agent (government) in the federal territory of Washington, D.C. and their private collection company, the IRS, to collect "income tax" was falsely declared to be ratified in February 1913 by Secretary of State Philander Knox.

After an exhaustive year long search of legislative records in 48 sovereign states (Alaska & Hawaii were not admitted into the Union until after 1913), Bill Benson wrote his fact findings in The Law That Never Was, Vols. 1 & 2. He was able to unequivocally prove that the 16th Amendment was never Constitutionally, properly, or legally ratified. The only record of the 16th Amendment having been confirmed was a proclamation made by the Secretary of State Philander Knox on February 25, 1913, wherein he simply declared it to be "in effect", but never stating it was lawfully ratified.

Even if the 16th Amendment were properly ratified, according to Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution, it has always been unconstitutional for the U.S. Federal Government to directly tax We the People in their property, wages, salaries, or earnings. The judges of the U.S. Supreme Court rejected any claims that the 16th Amendment changed the constitutional limits on direct taxes in Brushaber v. Union Pacific R.R. Co., 240 U.S. 1, when they ruled that it "created no new power of taxation" and that it "did not change the constitutional limitations which forbid any direct taxation of individuals".


http://political-resources.com/taxes/16thamendment/default.htm

sfth13
12-13-2008, 01:22 PM

Heretic
12-13-2008, 01:48 PM
Heretic I think that's the 16th amendment that wasn't properly ratified.. the 19th I believe was the right to Vote.. But that fact the Federal Income tax is Illegal say's it all..

whoops

right you are my friend

maybe someone really nice n all will correct my blunder

sfth13
12-13-2008, 01:52 PM
don't worry, we all make blunders... I was just trying to help..:cheers2:

Norval
12-13-2008, 08:40 PM
When free energy comes along then I won't stock pile cords of fire wood. Till then, cord wood is worth more than money, , grins. The idea is commodities. One can always "barter or trade". If you have something to trade with.

sfth13
12-15-2008, 03:44 PM
I don't have much need for fire wood here in Florida. :pool: but eveything in my house is run on electric. pumps for my well, airator and septic system, water heater, stove, AC.. I have a whole house generator but keeping fuel around to run it will be a problem. I sure could use that free energy...:barb: I do have a BBQ so I can still cook

zorgon
12-16-2008, 02:53 AM
I sure could use that free energy...

Look up... I hear tell this is common in Florida



I have a staff I call the Staff of Ra Looks cool... has a lens on top that will start a fire in seconds flat

Black pipes on roof Free hot water

Solar powered pumps

Solar collectors

Solar ovens

Solar Powered Generators (Even the Chinese had then at a trade show here a few years back)


Need Juice for that lap top when the SHTF?



Off-Grid Generators - Military 3

This Portable Solar Power System can be deployed during events where high energy density is critical. The system can power a variety of portable electronic devices that require 12 volts DC up to 20 amps/200 watts, 120-volts AC up to 120 watts, and can recharge itself in sunlight using the included solar panel.


Free Energy has been here a long time... but no one pays attention

Sure you still have to buy the original device DOH

sfth13
12-16-2008, 04:48 AM
yes you are right... it's so easy forget what's right in front of your face or in this case over your head.. thank you Zorgon.. any idea where one good pick up that portable solar power system. or is it a simple internet search... I'll have to check when I get to work.. :bananen_smilies046:

Norval
12-16-2008, 06:27 AM
Unfortunately that will not power the twin 50 hp electric motors that will drive this boat, , , ,

Terran
12-18-2008, 09:26 AM
.. any idea where one good pick up that portable solar power system. or is it a simple internet search... I'll have to check when I get to work..

Try Global Solar/Solarlinq (http://http://www.globalsolar.com/component/option,com_frontpage/Itemid,1/). I have their 6.5 watt folding solar panel. Works great for recharging AA batteries.

Here's a link to their milspec panels:

http://www.globalsolar.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=58&Itemid=114

sfth13
12-18-2008, 10:35 AM
Thanks for the Link Terran.. :bananen_smilies046: