Zacharia Sitchin

[Heretic]

There is alot of talk about Zacharia Sitchin being a dis-informer (some claim Illuminati), and I concur that it could be so, yet I wonder about those clay tablets and cylinder seals.

If his Sumerian translations are fraudulent then where are the corrections? Why hasn't other works come forth? Is it his translations of Sumerian texts that are wrong or his conclusions?

I have sorta found myself taking his works at his word but for the Nibiru claim. I feel that the importance of Nibiru, not only to the earth but our solar system, the home planet of the creative race of man, is unquestionable. Therefore it seems that such an important planet and its passing would be accounted for in the calendar system of both Sumer and Maya, yet it is not. Therefore I seriously doubt the validity of the Nibiru postulation. The Vatican's support for planet X just seems to compound my doubts.

Yet it nags at me that the creation story seems to explain just about every enigma on earth and in our solar system, as well as not only complementing other creation stories but clearing up many questions there too.

Is all of Sitchin's work bogus or just the Nibiru stuff and are there any clear lines we can draw between right or wrong or do we dismiss it all?

Do we have any other source for the translations of these tablets and seals?

[unipax]

I know what you mean, its a dilemma.
Shit
We need a filter that automatically discerns and certifies all incoming data.
If you find such a filter, dont tell Norval & Gale

[Gale]

I find Sitchin’s research to be very slanted, in particular the work done with Star Children (Indigo and Crystal Children). These are children claimed to be of mixed DNA that show an aptitude in one-way or another. It is also a program to identify human children with special gifts, which is also a way to identify Called Ones. And we know what that identification is all about.
Then the new agers got a hold of this idea and have run with it, identifying these Star Children as newcomers, incoming to help us all out with our so called dilemma of wars, pollution, the environment etc.
I find Sitchin’s Nibiru highly questionable. Even the sciences are investigating perturbations in the orbits of planets and moons in our Sol System but when considering the size of the Heavenly New Jerusalem, 1500 miles big and all those with Him in their large ships, that would definitely cause perturbations from the mass alone.

[k'sha]

You have to watch out with some of Sitchin's information....he makes mistakes which unless you have knowledge of the subject you wouldn't pick up....for instance he writes about the zodiac meaning circle of animals which is a common mistake for anyone who has done a little research into astrology....its a mistake that has been picked up by quite a few laymen into the subject and been perpetuated simply by repetition.Write it enough times and it becomes fact.

Another mistake he made he based a WHOLE book on....book 4,The Lost Realms....the premise was that Ningishzida was a son of Enki.....who lost Egypt to Marduk and went and settled in South America.I believed it until I did further research on Sumerian culture.With the help of the good folk at Enenuru....a research forum on mesopotamian culture....I was able to clear that up.

They were two mistakes I found....how many others has he made in subjects I only know of superficially? I don't want to take away from his research because he was one of the first to open up the field but he must be read critically.

You have questions on sumeria...Enenuru is a good place to gohttp://enenuru.proboards52.com/

[Norval]

Many organizations are looking to the heavens for something. Something coming. Indeed something is coming and as Gale said, that something is one thousand five hundred miles big. The 1,500 mile big something called the HNJ has been "expected" by those same organizations for a long time. That huge "something" won't be alone either. Is there anybody here that would believe that the King of the Universe in his 1,500 mile big "something" will be traveling alone? Just look at the assemblage that follows around world leaders and you get some of the idea. Now expand your mind to the size of our 400+ billion star systems of our Milky Way galaxy. Now expand your mind to the size of the entourage that would accompany the King that represents the 400+ billion galaxies out there?

It's not much of a wonder that many are looking "out there" with great expectations of what's coming. That this very King, of all the creation that you can see out there, is coming here, to Earth should at the very least demand a wake up call of the highest decibels. It's always the WHY are they looking and WHAT are they looking for, well now you know what the Document says they are looking for. IMHO

[k'sha]

ok...don't want to seem like a Sitchin hater....but I find his name and the word scholar get bandied around far too freely....

Mike Heiser has the Sitchin Is Wrong site....and has been refuting some of Sitchins research on Art Bell etc for a few years now....the site is well worth reading and the red pill\blue pill choice on the home page is good for a laugh.

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

[Dragon]

Talk of Sitchin, did lead me to do some reading.

I found the "Slave Species of God" by Michael Tellinger to bring up some interesting points.

Some others, although I chewed them thoroughly, simply would not go down.

The parts of Alien life, experimenting with DNA to create the Human race,
has possibilities.
However the mystery planet, with gold in the atmosphere, was hard to swallow.

It did lead me to another book, that was very convincing.
"Guns, Germs, and Steel, The fates of human societies"
by Jared Diamond.

[Gale]

mystery planet, with gold in the atmosphere

:rolllaugh: :rolllaugh:

That just struck me as so funny.


It did lead me to another book, that was very convincing.
"Guns, Germs, and Steel, The fates of human societies"
by Jared Diamond.

I have not read it, is it heavy reading?

[Dragon]

I have not read it, is it heavy reading?

No, I'd say it's about a pound in paperback.:pickinonme:

Can't be to heavy if I read it....
Comment: it lays a foundation for understanding Human History.

[Norval]

Comment: it lays a foundation for understanding Human History

, , , and I thought that the document most call the bible did that, , ,

(Some posts have been moved to here, ,
http://earthsbanner.com/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=262 )

[KathyT]

Well… you can throw Zacharia Sitchin out WITH the bath water… OR… you can continue to do your own research.

Zacharia isn’t the only historian or archaeologist of ancient civilizations. There are many written tables collected and scripts as well from the Egyptian and Greek civilizations that are kept in museums around the world. Go to your libraries, seek what you can about all these ancient civilizations.

For me, I’ve certainly taken a new look at what all the writings meant that existed prior to our biblical scriptures. They were the predecessors to the scriptures that were interpreted and misinterpreted by the “Church”.

You’ll do well to do your own research even it takes years… as it should.

[Gale]

I agree Kathy, even in examining what other researchers had been doing over the years.
An example, the lost book mentioned in the Bible, The Words of Gad the Seer, was not lost but with the Jewish tribe in India. Meir Bar-Ilan has had a copy of it since the early 1970’s.
THE DATE OF THE WORDS OF GAD THE SEER (http://faculty.biu.ac.il/~barilm/gadate.html)

And I had posted in another thread:

I think some movies and books are of the BET’s and BRET’s history or experiences embellish with theatrics to make a good movie or story line.
Take for instance Tolkien’s Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. I looked into this a little bit, Tolkien considered himself a historian not a linguist. After Tolkien died his son published parts of Tolkien’s massive work, he claimed his dad was translating ancient manuscripts.

Some of the stories in movies and books could predate the creation of man and be from those ones, the workers that did the hands on creating work for our Creator. That would also explain the assertions from some BET’s that they are the creators and have a legal claim to the Earth and even claim on us humans.
Although a lot of history was destroyed in the flood there were libraries that survived.
One such library is the one of Nimrod’s in his burial tome that was under the Euphrates River in southern Iraq, Nimrod was of mixed DNA and considered a demi-god. The Euphrates had changed over the years and doesn’t travel over that tome now. Since the war in Iraq any work on the archaeological dig was halted and the dig was under the guidance of the U.S. & Britain. I have no idea what the present situation of that dig is; site information is now very sketchy or nonexistent. There were stories about star gates in Iraq; I would say the bottom line was artefacts, alien artefacts and technology.

[Heretic]

well I think I may have found another source for the cuneiform translations from Sumer

http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/index.html

some guy named Christian O'Brien who has some books through The Patrick Foundation (which I know nothing about yet)

so this is a new trail for me to follow if anyone has heard about or read any of their work then I would love to hear about it