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I have a question for all our Bible followers!
A star? "Star?" UFO, followed Joseph and Mary on there trek from Nazareth to Bethlehem and hovered above the place where baby Jesus, Mary and Joseph stayed, considering what King Herod had in mind, do you think the UFO was from a good ET? Or a bad ET?
I have a question for all our Bible followers!
A star? "Star?" UFO, followed Joseph and Mary on there trek from Nazareth to Bethlehem and hovered above the place where baby Jesus, Mary and Joseph stayed, considering what King Herod had in mind, do you think the UFO was from a good ET? Or a bad ET?
What I mean, was the UFO trying to show Herod where Jesus was?
Norval
12-27-2008, 09:18 AM
No, it showed the Wise Men where he was. They then lied to Herod.
Heretic
12-27-2008, 07:39 PM
Interesting notion Gary
Didn't Herod make efforts such as a census (found in Luke) to find Jesus despite the star over Bethlehem? Yet scholars only find census records in reference to the census of Quirinius so that may not be the case as the other gospels don't mention it. (I could be wrong here)
Bobbi
12-28-2008, 11:03 AM
Another thing to remember Gary, is that it took several years for the wisemen to reach Jesus, so that "star" remained visible for their guidance for an extended period of time remembering, of course, they were travelling by primitive means. That's a new one I recently learned.
zorgon
12-31-2008, 11:27 PM
The "Star" of Bethlehem was something only the wise guys could see...
It was the alignment of the Planets that happened May 5th, 1 AD
Jesus was born in May, not Dec... the Christians merely stole a convenient holiday from the Pagans rather than set a new one.
There was another similar alignment 2ooo years later on May 5th 2000...
This is one of the 'signs' that was used to predict the end of the world for 2000...
The Millenium group was founded for this (not the TV program, but the REAL group. http://www.tmgnow.com/
May 5th 2000
According to NASA
On May 5, 2000 the planets Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn will be more or less positioned in a line with the Sun. Additionally, the Moon will be almost lined up between the Earth and Sun. Although this has led to many dire predictions of global catastrophes such as melting ice caps, floods, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc. there is absolutely no scientific basis for these claims. The distance to the planets is too great for their gravity, magnetic fields, radiation, etc. to have any discernible effect on Earth. In fact, we won't even be able to see this alignment, as all the planets will be on the opposite side of the Sun from the Earth.
While each planet has a minute and virtually undetectable gravitational pull on the Earth, with the planets on the opposite side of the Sun the force from each body will actually be at its absolute minimum during the alignment. And there is nothing "magic" about the planets being in a line, the effects do not somehow multiply simply due to a geometric arrangement. For example, the combined gravitational effect of all the planets together is much less than the effect of the Sun or the Moon on the Earth. Depending on how strictly you want to define "alignment", the inner six planets are aligned every fifty to a hundred years or so. While unusual, such alignments have happened in the past without any consequences. The planets are simply too far away to have an effect on anything here on Earth - except our imaginations.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/alignment.html
zorgon
12-31-2008, 11:41 PM
do you think the UFO was from a good ET? Or a bad ET?
Well if you don't like my planetary alignment version...
then according to this version it would be a good ET
:rainbow:
zorgon
01-01-2009, 12:01 AM
I'm A Stranger Here -- Five Man Electrical Band
Hahahah! ok man, got me again!
Norval
01-02-2009, 08:35 AM
The "light" was probably visible both day and night, , , hmmmm?
unipax
01-02-2009, 10:30 AM
The "light" was probably visible both day and night, , , hmmmm?
hmmmm indeed !
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whitecrow
02-01-2009, 10:39 AM
I'm openminded, not yet convinced, about all the ET stuff, but it is sure refreshing to find some folks who can discuss the Bible without the overlay of dogma and mind-control that shuts down the thinking process.
It's been my understanding that the star of Bethlehem was probably a planetary alignment that was understood in an astrological context. As for the Roman census that required everyone to return to his hometown, that's just fiction, I think. The Romans were above all pragmatic, and having everyone uprooted and on the road just so they could sign a piece of paper doesn't make sense.
I have heard of the planetary alignment theory, it just doesn't seem to fit properly when considering how long the wise men would have had to travel and changes in direction as one travels.
If the Roman's were trying to track births to find a certain baby, they might.
whitecrow
02-02-2009, 10:24 AM
I have heard of the planetary alignment theory, it just doesn't seem to fit properly when considering how long the wise men would have had to travel and changes in direction as one travels.
If the so-called wise men or magi came from Iraq/Iran, it needn't have taken them that long to reach Palestine. Caravans made the trip in a few weeks, with great regularity.
If the Roman's were trying to track births to find a certain baby, they might.
Outside the Bible, is there a single reference, anywhere, of them doing such a thing? Using the Bible or any document as its own authority and proof is a recipe for mental disaster. There's a word for this but I can't think of it.
There was research done back in the mid 1800's to track down court documents, since the Roman's were notorious for documenting everything. That research was written then eventually translated into English by Drs. McIntosh and Twyman. The book titled "The Archko Volume" contains the official documents made in Jesus's time stored at the Vatican, Senatorial Court Dockets.
I have not read this book in a while; I have been doing this research since 2001 but Norval has been researching well over 30 years now. So if you are interested in references, I would start with that book because a census would have only concerned the Jews and in that particular area.
a recipe for mental disaster
You are quite right, I have noted several researchers when they get to a point where this research puts into question all their preconceptions and takes them beyond their comfort zone, they pop or they revert to their comfort level and stay there. No forward momentum, just stay were they feel all is warm and fuzzy. Somewhat like being neither hot nor cold.
Actually if you get Norval talking or posting he might mention about translation errors that he has been accredited with the corrections.
whitecrow
02-04-2009, 08:48 AM
Actually if you get Norval talking or posting he might mention about translation errors that he has been accredited with the corrections.
A good place to start looking into this is George Lamsa's translation of the Peshitta into English. In his introduction he explains:
The strongest points in ascertaining the originality of a text are the style of writing, the idioms, and the internal evidence. Words which make sense and are easily understood in one language, when translated literally into another tongue, may lose their meaning. One can offer many instances where scores of Aramaic words, some with several meanings and others with close resemblance to other words, were confused and thus mistranslated.
This is why in Jeremiah 4:10, we read in the King James:
"...Ah, Lord God! surely thou has greatly deceived this people..."
The Aramaic reads:
"...Ah, Lord ! I have greatly deceived this people..." The translator's confusion is due to the position of a dot, for the position of a dot frequently determines the meaning of a word.
In Isaiah 43:28, the King James version reads:
"Therefore, I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary..."
The Aramaic reads:
"...Your princes have profaned my sanctuary..." This error was caused by misunderstanding of a passive plural verb. The same error occurs in John 12:40, which in the Eastern Text reads:
"...Their eyes have become blind..." instead of "...He hath blinded their eyes..."
In Psalm 22:29, King James version, we read:
"All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship...and none can keep alive his own soul."
The Aramaic text reads:
"All those who are hungry (for truth) shall eat and worship...my soul is alive to him." The error in this instance is due to the confusion of the Aramaic words which have some resemblance. Some of these words when written by hand resemble one another..."
All of which is irrelevant and even sacreligious to those who insist that every word is literally true in English.
Fascinating, when one starts to investigate what the Document is really saying in comparison to what is being told the Document is saying.
sfth13
02-05-2009, 10:58 AM
Here's a crazy thought, what if the star of Bethlehem was the name of our Sun and the wise men where traveling via Spacecraft to see the new born King. Like I said it's just a crazy thought that popped into my head when I read this thread..:eek:
No, it showed the Wise Men where he was. They then lied to Herod.
But they lied to Herod because they where wise, maybe?
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