Contactees, Experiencers, and Writers who have Mental Health problems.

[KathyT]

This year I have been observing a number of internet forums, and joined several Yahoo discussion groups to observe what people think and share about things in the UFO, alien contact, descriptions about Reptilians, ancient societies, conspiracies, and such.

In my long term career and work within the community, I’ve had contacts individually and professionally with individuals with mental health problems. There are many individuals who have Bipolar disorders, Personality disorders, Psychotic disorders, Neurotic disorders, and other mental disabilities as well. Mental health professionals try to help keep as many individuals functioning as well as they can in the community, and we want family members to be able to keep them functioning in our communities as well.

Unfortunately, I have observed that a number of posts that we see on discussion forums, and on Yahoo groups, have observable signs that we are seeing posts from individuals who have neurotic disorders and can’t tell reality from things they make up in their minds. Even in reading some books written, I can see some telltale signs of minds that can't do reasonable thought.

On forums, you can’t see people’s faces, and you can’t see them talk. This limits one greatly to be able to make judgments as to their legitimacy. For this reason alone, I tend to hold to being a big skeptic of many things I read.

I’m interested in hearing discussion as to how we can respond to these posts. I think there are many who read posts and are gullible to believe just about anything.

[Norval]

Then again, are you sure you are dealing with humans on these forums?

There is a bit more about this here, , ,
http://earthsbanner.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17

Some call them "trolls", or are there "other" reasons some post as they do?

[KathyT]

Then again, are you sure you are dealing with humans on these forums?

Some call them "trolls", or are there "other" reasons some post as they do?

Are you more inclined to think ETs are posting on forums with signs of having neurotic disorders, or humans with signs of having neurotic disorders?

Let's suppose they are ETs. Are these "ETs" going to be intelligent in nature, or are they going to show signs of having neurotic disorders? Or some of both?

Let me give you an example. I had a fellow on another forum give me a private post, and he claimed all jails on this planet were empty because their were unfunded. And he said the CIA had killed his family. When I sent him back a private post, I asked him if he was employed, and could he tell me his profession, and his career in life. I asked if he had written any articles for any magazines or equivalent. I asked him whether he had graduated from high school or had any college education.

Without seeing this person's face or hearing his voice, I had no way to determine his credibility, so I simply asked him to give me his background. His answer was gibberish, too long to detail here, and to say that he had been unemployed and all his employers had made him become homeless. He pretty much confirmed what I suspected, was that he had no credibility. He couldn't give me a single reference to a source of which he was quoting information. This guy still posts there, and there is a moderator there encouraging him with all of his nonsense!

People in mental institutions or receiving therapy make all sorts of claims like this. That's what a neurotic disorder is.

Anyone else on this forum have experience working around individuals with neurotic disorders?

I don't think we need to blame trolls or ETs for a bunch of unsubstantiated stories.

[Norval]

Psychiatry and psychology, pharmacology and neurology, or, questions and answers?

Why do some posters at forums display neurotic behavior? Why are some posters hell bent on disruptive behaviors? Why are there Information Acquisition and Control "agents" (that's what we call them, IAC agents) trying desperately to keep specific information off the internet? Many questions I and others have sought answers to for years now.

After years of research Gale and I have come to some conclusions, many now are agreeing with these conclusions, yet most of the MSM (main stream media) scientists will, of course, disagree with these findings.

Based on the evidence Gale and I have discovered in our researches, it is safe to say mankind is not alone on this planet. The only question that needs an answer is WHY are they here? The only plausible answer that we have found that makes any sense comes from the document most call the Bible. The document breaks down sentient intelligent life into just two categories, whether alien or mankind, the kind you would want for a neighbor, and the kind you would not want for a neighbor. In other words, can you trust your neighbor with your kids, cows, or anus? :)
Bad ETs do not make good neighbors.

[Gary]

This is an interesting thread Kathy!

[KathyT]

Why do some posters at forums display neurotic behavior? Why are some posters hell bent on disruptive behaviors?



Because there are many people in our normal society who are slightly "un-normal". I teach computer science-introduction at a community college, and people don't need to be really bright to be in my class. There are other adult classes held in my community by the school district where fees are low or waived. My husband works as a Librarian, and he sees homeless and all kinds of strange people in the library. It's a public place where people can get out of the cold or spend their days.. and the computers are the most popular place in the Library.

I would never conclude that "ET's are posting on the internet" before first considering that humans are posting on the internet. Neither you nor I have a way of knowing who is who for sure.

[Gale]

I would never conclude that "ET's are posting on the internet" before first considering that humans are posting on the internet. Neither you nor I have a way of knowing who is who for sure.

That applies even for abnormal psychology if it wasn’t for profiling.

With the overwhelming body of evidence of ET’s existence that cannot be ignored, the next logical step even for the mental health profession as well as the law profession would be to profile them, then through the process of posting over time with them determine their motives.

[KathyT]

That applies even for abnormal psychology if it wasn’t for profiling.

With the overwhelming body of evidence of ET’s existence that cannot be ignored, the next logical step even for the mental health profession as well as the law profession would be to profile them, then through the process of posting over time with them determine their motives.

Gale, I do not understand your grammar. Nor do I understand what point you are trying to make. Could you please try explaining a little further?

What exactly is it you want profiled? How? And what would you then expect the result to be?

[Gale]

In your mental health profession, even in abnormal psychology, you profile a patient and their history, correct? This is to determining who is who regarding patients, their severity of illness etc.
A similar method can be applied in determining who is who on the Internet.

[Norval]

Because there are many people in our normal society who are slightly "un-normal".
I would never conclude that "ET's are posting on the internet" before first considering that humans are posting on the internet. Neither you nor I have a way of knowing who is who for sure.

Well, KathyT, after profiling you from your posts, 9 so far, it is apparent that you haven't read our research, yet what is even more apparent is your failure to address the on topic questions presented to you. Besides the fact you have side stepped many of the points brought up and erroneously assume things. By all means, please continue. When are you going to actually get to the "Contactees, Experiencers, and Writers who have Mental Health problems." aspects of your thread? :)

[KathyT]

In your mental health profession, even in abnormal psychology, you profile a patient and their history, correct? This is to determining who is who regarding patients, their severity of illness etc.
A similar method can be applied in determining who is who on the Internet.

Gale, I looked at your Location, and realize you're not in the same country as I am. I think now that perhaps there are different English words used in your country, as I have never heard the term 'profile a patient' in Calif. What happens in medical offices here, is that patient history is obtained, and also a medical exam to collect more information about the patient. In my lifetime, I've never once heard the word 'profile' used in a doctor's office or hospital here. That is why I wasn't sure as to what you were saying. 'Profiling' down here has a connotation of being connected to something like 'racial profiling' as it pertains to discrimination or employment practices or other social issues.

So yes I would agree that a doctor would collect patient history... but I don't see that being available when we observe a post on any number of forums. Most posters may be purely anonymous.

[Heretic]

I can relate to what your talking about Kathy

I have talked to these people from time to time, it is as if they do not live in this world...either dissociative or even mentally divergent folks who...well...blend into our conspiracy world with ease

sometimes you think your talking to someone who is reading the same information and studying the same material you are....and then they start to talk about their "other life" on mars...or having been to other worlds physically...or mentally it is hard to tell....

some people really get lost in this stuff and cope in strange ways

some may really be the real deal and "WE" just don't get it...yet

some are simply nutters...who have found a community that welcomes them

as far as how to deal with their posts....I just take what info I want and leave the rest...I try not to really deal with them...kind of like waking up a sleep walker....not too sure it would be good for them for me to do that, and who knows, they may be the next outside the box inventor of...whatever

my two cents

[KathyT]

I can relate to what your talking about Kathy

I have talked to these people from time to time, it is as if they do not live in this world...either dissociative or even mentally divergent folks who...well...blend into our conspiracy world with ease

sometimes you think your talking to someone who is reading the same information and studying the same material you are....and then they start to talk about their "other life" on mars...or having been to other worlds physically...or mentally it is hard to tell....

some people really get lost in this stuff and cope in strange ways

some may really be the real deal and "WE" just don't get it...yet

some are simply nutters...who have found a community that welcomes them

as far as how to deal with their posts....I just take what info I want and leave the rest...I try not to really deal with them...kind of like waking up a sleep walker....not too sure it would be good for them for me to do that, and who knows, they may be the next outside the box inventor of...whatever

my two cents

Heretic, I'm glad you understand!

There are many of the 'nutters' and many people who are just gullible, and don't understand the importance of checking out what you read, to verify sources, and to do your own research.

The more I read, the more I realize that many open their mouths to speak, and it's just like they're gossiping. They're not the source of the information, they haven't done any independent research, they don't give footnotes to what they're talking about so that it can be confirmed.

I find I have a much greater degree of critical thinking today than I did when I started. By critical, I mean, yes I do screen out a lot because it is nonsense. When I hear of a topic I'm not familiar with... I start research on my own, and it may take weeks or longer to sort it all out.

My goal is to find those who have pioneered the field before me, and will save me years of research because they are willing to show the depth of the research they did.

In terms of "dealing with their posts"... I sometimes just quit participation and leave. I've a couple of Yahoo groups I've followed, and when I finally think I've observed all that I need and it's pretty obvious to me that their leaders and active participants are leaning towards the 'nutty' side... it's time for me to leave.

For example, have you observed Mr. Richard Boylan's group and website, about star kids?

[unipax]

Somewhere I read of shrinks / therapists discussing patients and discovering a matching dream theme reported by a high percentage of patients.

It had to do with some dreadful future event in dreams. I know that is very common and therefore next to irrelevant without more details.

Sorry I cannot recall better, but the dreams had details in common that made it much more compelling than I am presenting here.

Anyone know of this?

[Heretic]

I haven't heard of that unipax...interesting, do go on if you know more


concerning those nutters

we do not even have to step into conspiracy to see that around us, many things are primed to cause great change, and change is occurring now

people are starting to realize that this coupled with our capacity to end our own existence on the planet with the push of a few buttons, and are considering that we are in prophesied end times

UFOs are reaching the "in your face" point, and are now no longer being ridiculed in MSM, specially in the last year

new age religions are creating a spiritual crisis in developed countries that are not fundamentalist based

the internet has allowed for instant knowledge and information, bypassing MSM propaganda control, as well as instant world communication

people are starting to ask questions, 2012 and other end times concepts are entering the mass consciousness and they are becoming buzz words, and that is about to explode once the new 2012 movie is out, people will be looking into the Maya like the De Vinci Code did for secret societies and grail legends

what we have all probably looked into deeply and researched will be hitting the masses and all kinds of people will start flocking to websites, groups, and message boards...I think we are seeing this now, people who are not even into conspiracy are posting on conspiracy websites now

thus you will not only find researchers out there, but many demographics, including people looking for heroes, gurus, and prophets...people who will want to be saved (Blossom Goodchild) and some who are alone and scared and will latch on to the first thing they are exposed to, and will probably accept it without any research because that is work, tedious, and X doesn't always mark the spot.

I think we will be seeing more of these people...as the world become more terrible people will want to escape into this world as a comfort zone

there are alot of seriously delusional folks in this conspiracy world already, I think we are going to see an increase exponentially as the next few years go by

were these people nuts "before" they got into conspiracy, or "because" they got into it?

[sfth13]

you are so right Heretic. have you checked out History channel

http://www.history.com/video.do?name=armageddon&paidlink=1&vid=HIS_SEM_Search&keywords=nostradamus%2B&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=nostradamus&utm_term=nostradamus%20

A guy at worked watched this and freaked out! he's now selling his house and moving away from the coast and up to the mountains...all from watching a TV show..he wants to find a cave and head under ground

[Norval]

Hosea 10:8
RSV with Apocrypha
The high places of Aven, the sin of Israel,
shall be destroyed.
Thorn and thistle shall grow up
on their altars;
and they shall say to the mountains, Cover us,
and to the hills, Fall upon us.
Luke 23:30
RSV with Apocrypha
Then they will begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us'; and to the
hills, Cover us.'
Revelation 6:16
RSV with Apocrypha
calling to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the
face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb;

It would be better if they would actually read the document first before going off and finding a cave to hide in. :lol:

[sfth13]

That's what I said but he thinks I'M the crazy one...:rolllaugh: