What does the Bible say about "Science" ?

[sfth13]

I stumbled upon this article, Not sure if anyone else saw this yet. I gave it a quick read at work today. i'll read more throughly when I get home.

http://www.biblefood.com/biblepage8.html

[Heretic]

I scanned it...seems like this guy is stretching on some of the stuff

I just shrugged at most of it...bland observations, descriptions of earthly conditions, and natural phenomenon really doesn't seem like they are preaching a science here...highly interpretable

but who knows...I only scanned it, and I just woke up

[Norval]

Bob Jones , , , anything to do with Jones Town? :(

*coughs*

A couple good points and a few possibilities, but it is full of religion, including the very wording of an old king james version.

Off shoot of seventh day adventist I would say. IMHO this guy will shit his pants when it all really happens. I highly doubt he will be able to accept the coming good ETs as his angels. :(

[sfth13]

IMHO this guy will shit his pants when it all really happens. I highly doubt he will be able to accept the coming good ETs as his angels. :(


Along with a lot of other people...:moon::shit:

one thing that caught my eye as I skimed through it at work is how they calculated the age of the moon being 7000 years old instead of millions.

[Norval]

Our research over the years has shown that a Creative Day (one of the six days of creation) is 7,000 years long, using that do the math on when the moon was created. If I remember the quick read I did Jones said that the moon was created on the 4th day of creation.

Too bad Jones didn't also read the book of 2nd Esdras for some truly mind blowing scientific evidence in the document called the bible. :)

[sfth13]

Where is the 2nd Esdras the version I'm reading I can't find it?

[Bobbi]

sfth - I really wish I could call you something that is easier on the tongue - like "Mighty Mouse" - but, oh well! :001_smile:

2nd Esdras is in a group of books called the Apocrypha, which is located after the Old Testament, and is not in all bibles. My study bible, The St. Joseph's Edition, doesn't have it either. So I have to use my Oxford edition for 2nd Esdras. You may need to get another one that has it included.

[sfth13]

Thanks for that info Bobbi, my friends call me Tony, I can't tell you what my family calls me, :rolllaugh:
The sfth stands for soft tail harley :scooter:, which was one of my motorcycles.. but mighty mouse is cool too.

[Bobbi]

So be it - I dub thee "Mighty Mouse". Thanks Tony! :yeah:

[Heretic]

LOL

Might Mouse it is!!

good call Bobbi

:party:

[sfth13]

Here I come to save the DAAAAY! :bananen_smilies064:
just kidding!:rolllaugh:
I think that's what Mighty Mouse said.

[Gale]

You can also find 2nd Esdras and The Book of Jasher online ....

Wesley Center Online (http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studies/noncanon/apocrypha.htm)

Internet Sacred Texts Archive (http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/index.htm)

[Bobbi]

And who's to say you won't?! Keep up your research, the day you save might very well be your own. I read all your document research and watch your progress. Keep up the reading.

[sfth13]

Thanks everyone for the links and pointing in the right direction I read evryone talking about 2nd Esdras but I couldn't find it almost like someone didn't want me too. :bananen_smilies035:

[Norval]

, , , and I thought for sure Gale would post the "questions", , , :lol:

[Gale]

:tt2:

Nope, not this time, the thrill of self discovery is important.

[Norval]

A little help here, , , ,
Long before we had the technology to answer those questions, let alone to even understand them;
2nd Esdras chapter 4, pay close attention to the questions that the "angel" is asking Ezra. Remember these questions were being asked hundreds of years before Jesus' time even.

[Gale]

A little help here, , , ,

Good point!


"Go, weigh for me the weight of fire, or measure for me a blast of wind, or call back for me the day that is past … or show me the picture of a voice … if you solve one of them for me, then I will show you the way you desire to see … You cannot understand the things with which you have grown up; how then can your mind comprehend the way of the Most High?"

The Latin Vulgate, Great Bible (1539), Douay Bible (1609-1610), Moscow Patriarchate (1956), Geneva Bible (1560), Bishops Bible (1568), King James Version (1611), Revised Standard Version (1957) and the New Revised Standard Version (1989) all contain those questions posed to Ezra.

[Norval]

Allow me to elaborate somewhat on these questions asked well over two thousand years ago in a language that could hardly ask the question, and only in a very basic way. First they are of such technological and scientific questioning that they can only be answered today.

"Weigh for me the weight of fire."
The base of all known energies, fire, can now be measured, or weighed, in many ways. We have discovered many other energy sources besides fire that we can also measure and weigh too.

"Measure for me a blast of wind."
Mankind has gone far beyond just measuring blasts of wind. Today we can measure and observe weather changes with many instruments.

"Call back for me the day that is past."
The ability to record events started with sound and developed into what we have on the market today, so I would assume you would want that on DVD Blue Ray High Definition?

"Show me the picture of a voice."
Here I think the question would have to have been asked something like this, "Draw for me what a voice looks like." Today in our modern technologically advanced world we can do so much more than just show one a picture of a voice.

Only today can we comprehend and answer those questions. So too we can now comprehend what those UFOs and ETs have been all down through history.

"Can your mind comprehend the way of the Most High?"
Well, pilgrim, can it? , asked in my best John Wayne voice.
Even though I had read these passages in 2nd Esdras a couple times before over the past 18 years since I first read it, the implications of them didn't sink in till Gale asked me about them when she read it a few years ago. They had been right in front of me for 15 years before I realized that to us today with basic science knowledge we could actually answer them. Thus also making mankind responsible and capable to read and understand the Document we call the Bible and be held accountable.

[Bobbi]

It makes all too perfect sense to me. The Document is full of technology that only recently we have begun to contemplate, comprehend, duplicate and implement --- at a historically unprecedented rate.

[sfth13]

I often think about why for thousands of years nobody discoverd /invented electricity. radio's and all other electronics until about 100 years ago. Technology has increased at a unprecedented rate as you said Bobbi. so is the push along from the Bad Et's or the Good Et's? or did someone finally give birth to a few smart people. everytime I see this picture I get a kick out of it.

:marshmellow:

[Norval]

Cool campfire art work.

After the flood of Noah most all technology was lost as near as I can tell. Just the stories survived, what we call mythology, legends, and folk tales. Over the centuries mankind hasn't needed technology to be "tested as to our hearts". Now, as we approach the Disclosure Day, we need to know sciences and technology so we can understand the "bigger picture" of who we are and why we were created. Since mankind can now comprehend the bigger picture of our known universe and it's responsibilities we are ready to "know" the rest of the story.

[Norval]

Think of what it was like before the flood.
Everyone knowing that we were a created race, ETs amongst us would have been a part of everyday life. But then shit got out of hand and some of the ETs got some kind of superiority complex going thus becoming arrogant and jealous. Wrong attitude. Besides they got horny for our women, and that says one hell of alot about mankind's physical form.

Yes, the jealousy for rulership, their ego and arrogant attitude, has caused these enemies of the Kingdom to be utterly defeated and thrown down to this planet. Think of the technologies they have lost? The freedom to roam the galaxies now gone.

My, how far you have fallen, , ,
reads the Document.

[sfth13]

yep the technologies they lost that they are trying to get back..in time for the final battle...all mankind needed was farming tools and tools to build shelters nothing else... but the Bet's introduced all the technoloy going to war machines.. trying to prepare for the final battle...as you say they are stuck here with out their technologies and I think they are desperatly trying to advance us to use this technology and humans as an army against our king upon his return .... some of us will take the bait and fight some won't ... i think that is the 1/3 that makes it through..I'm still reading the document and still re-reading parts trying to make sense out of it.... well back to the books:bananen_smilies035:

[Bobbi]

:iagree:Excellent post Mighty Mouse! I think the hammer hit that nail smack dab on it's head!

[Norval]

yep the technologies they lost that they are trying to get back..in time for the final battle...all mankind needed was farming tools and tools to build shelters nothing else... but the Bet's introduced all the technoloy going to war machines.. trying to prepare for the final battle...as you say they are stuck here with out their technologies and I think they are desperatly trying to advance us to use this technology and humans as an army against our king upon his return .... some of us will take the bait and fight some won't ... i think that is the 1/3 that makes it through..I'm still reading the document and still re-reading parts trying to make sense out of it.... well back to the books:bananen_smilies035:

Very well stated Sfth13. It's nice to see some comprehension. :)

[Gale]

yep the technologies they lost that they are trying to get back..in time for the final battle...all mankind needed was farming tools and tools to build shelters nothing else... but the Bet's introduced all the technoloy going to war machines.. trying to prepare for the final battle...as you say they are stuck here with out their technologies and I think they are desperatly trying to advance us to use this technology and humans as an army against our king upon his return .... some of us will take the bait and fight some won't ... i think that is the 1/3 that makes it through..I'm still reading the document and still re-reading parts trying to make sense out of it.... well back to the books:bananen_smilies035:

Thanks Tony the Mighty Mouse, excellent summation, it's nice to see someone that has understanding.

[sfth13]

Thank you Bobbi, Gale and Norval for the pointing in the right direction. it was really tuff just getting that little piece of the bigger picture.. it's like another poster said here somewhere... you have to un-learn all the BS that's been thrown at you from birth. I forget who posted that but it's very true. i'm still confused about a lot of other things like why we were created? why it is taking so long for our king to return? i'll keep reading and maybe it will just pop right out at me.. i'm not much of a reader which it makes it that much more difficult for me ... but thanks again... this connection between our creator and ETs has been a thought i had for a longtime and now it's starting to make a little bit of sense. :bananen_smilies046:

[Gale]

i'm still confused about a lot of other things like why we were created? why it is taking so long for our king to return? i'll keep reading and maybe it will just pop right out at me.. i'm not much of a reader which it makes it that much more difficult for me ... but thanks again... this connection between our creator and ETs has been a thought i had for a longtime and now it's starting to make a little bit of sense. :bananen_smilies046:

Maybe this will help with why we were created...


I Corinthians 6:3
RSV with Apocrypha
Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, matters
pertaining to this life!


Norval posted something just yesterday that might help with the idea that it is taking a long time...


as technological advances were made, knowledge of our solar system and universe caused ones to consider other possible understandings of those ancient writings.

The old saying, everything in its own time.

[Gale]

Tony, Mighty Mouse, I really like 2 Esdras. Here is a few verses that I found interesting. It deals with time and less in stature or physical attributes as compared to previous generations.


Apocrypha: 2 Esdras Chapter 5
[44]

He replied to me and said, "The creation cannot make more haste than the Creator, neither can the world hold at one time those who have been created in it."

[45]

And I said, "How hast thou said to thy servant that thou wilt certainly give life at one time to thy creation? If therefore all creatures will live at one time and the creation will sustain them, it might even now be able to support all of them present at one time."

[46]

He said to me, "Ask a woman's womb, and say to it, `If you bear ten children, why one after another?' Request it therefore to produce ten at one time."

[47]

I said, "Of course it cannot, but only each in its own time."

[48]

He said to me, "Even so have I given the womb of the earth to those who from time to time are sown in it.

[49] For as an infant does not bring forth, and a woman who has become old does not bring forth any longer, so have I organized the world which I created."
[50]

Then I inquired and said, "Since thou hast now given me the opportunity, let me speak before thee. Is our mother, of whom thou hast told me, still young? Or is she now approaching old age?"

[51]

He replied to me, "Ask a woman who bears children, and she will tell you.

[52] Say to her, "Why are those whom you have borne recently not like those whom you bore before, but smaller in stature?'
[53] And she herself will answer you, `Those born in the strength of youth are different from those born during the time of old age, when the womb is failing.'
[54] Therefore you also should consider that you and your contemporaries are smaller in stature than those who were before you,
[55] and those who come after you will be smaller than you, as born of a creation which already is aging and passing the strength of youth."

I copied this from the online version of 2nd Esdras, the link on page one of this thread but the wording is not quite as nice as it is in my NRSV.

[sfth13]

Thank you Gale...i'll read through 2 Esdras again this weekend...my need to know is growing everyday...thanks again

[Gale]

It might be helpful to take the table of contents and reverse the order of the books. To read starting with Revelations, then Jude, then 3rd John, 2nd John...
I found 2nd John particularly interesting, it mentions women, not just one but a second one at the end of the book. So the Called and Chosen status is not sex discriminatory as religions would want you to believe. Nor is celibacy a requirement.

[sfth13]

Thanks Gale, I have been jumpimg around from one book to another, where ever I see a reference posted here i'll head that way .. Norval suggested a while back a few to read for starters and if I remember correctly it was Mathew as well as John.. thanks again