Cloak & Dagger

[unipax]

from another thread:


Misdirection, misinformation, those are the very ETs that set up the old religions,

That reminded me ...

Examined thru the filter of "Who benefits?", the claim that the Jesuits created Islam instantly sounded plausible to me.

I filed it away in the mind-opening realm of deception, infiltration, false flag strategies etc etc.
Since my mind shifted gears after 911, that realm, (awareness of deception, infiltration etc) has become a key filter for assessing events.......not that it automatically guides me to conclusions mind you.
Instead it guides me to disbelieve what we are told, which usually leads to more questions.
We live in interesting times indeed.

Here is google results of "Jesuits creating Islam ?"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=fjSbSeu5EaCSsQPUx8WyAg&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Did+jesuits+or+vatican+created+islam%3F&spell=1

[whitecrow]

Just because something is possible does not mean it will happen, or did happen. One can see various theories about every circumstance, enough to make my head spin, anyway. The Jesuits are among many popular villains, now and going back forever. I've read appalling things about them - as I have the Jews, the Russians, Presbyterians, the Templars, not to mention the IRS and the Federal Reserve. And in fact, wherever you care to look in history, there really HAVE been conspiracies in abundance. Probably every story out there has at least a grain of truth. Some are really, scarily true, we all know that.

For now, I'm gonna set the Jesuits creating Islam on the shelf, next to the one about all the places in the Old Testament actually being in Saudi Arabia (some could be), and the one where Europeans are actually the lost tribes of Israel (some might be. So what)?

[unipax]

good points

Now that I think of it ...
The value I get from that conspiracy theory about Jesuits creating Islam is not necessarily that it is probable, but that it is possible.

In other words, it expanded my view of what bad people are capable of creating.

Another example is the claims made by Eric Hufschmid. He accuses Zionists of infiltrating and controlling just about everything that matters in the world.

Some may be true and some may not be true, but that is not my point. My point is that this new awareness of what evil is capable of has expanded my view of reality more than I ever would have anticipated before I began looking into stuff like 911.

[Gale]

Member of the Roman Catholic order of religious men called the Society of Jesus. First organized by St. Ignatius of Loyola in 1534 at the University of Paris, the order was approved by Pope Paul III in 1540.
Britannica Concise Encyclopedia: Jesuit (http://www.answers.com/topic/jesuit)


Muhammad
* Born: c. 570
* Birthplace: Mecca (now in Saudi Arabia)
* Died: c. 632 (natural causes)
* Best Known As: Founding prophet of Islam

Who2 Biography: Muhammad, Religious Figure (http://www.answers.com/topic/muhammad)

Impossible

[Zenbuoy]

Another example is the claims made by Eric Hufschmid. He accuses Zionists of infiltrating and controlling just about everything that matters in the world.



Devid Dees (http://www.deesillustration.com/ps1.html) and Jeff Rense (http://www.rense.com/) would concur. Oy va!

[Norval]

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[unipax]

The value I get from that conspiracy theory about Jesuits creating Islam is not necessarily that it is probable, but that it is possible.




Impossible

OK I'll take your word for it. Therefore, to clarify: What I really mean is that I was kinda blown away when I realized that such huge deceptions could be possible. The idea of fooling so many people for so long is just amazing to me.

Here are two other examples; moon landing hoax and holocaust hoax.
(NOTE: I am not voting here for either of them being true or false.)

Again, I'm just saying that these are examples of (sorta) "Holy Shit" moments, when I realized that such things, (not necessarily those things), could be possible. I mean, I was just floored when I first heard of the idea of pulling the wool over the eyes of a whole planet full of people on such a grand scale.

Thats just me. I suppose that for some people such things would not be so surprising.

[Bobbi]

I understand that certain historians - and others - (and I'm sure given enough time they would succeed) are trying to establish the holocaust as a hoax. It amazes me, to no end, how such a disgustingly vile part of this earth's recent past could remotely be seen as anything BUT real. I won't debate it here in detail, but I have studied everything - from personal stories of survivors, participants and soldiers to the political, religious and business involvement of many conspirators, financiers and other figureheads from all over the world.

Ooops - venting - sorry.

[Norval]

The Jesuits of the Catholic "religion" seem to be the CIA of the Church. Possibly they are much more than that. The control the bad ETs have over mankind is from the top down;
1. Their head honcho, (many titles and names here)
2. The "families" (the richest and oldest)
3. The World Organizations of the religions, business and government sectors.
Most know the chain of true command that have done their research, few know about the head honcho and the bad ETs over all of them. Fewer yet accept the bible as the Document explaining it all.

[unipax]

The Jesuits of the Catholic "religion" seem to be the CIA of the Church. Possibly they are much more than that. The control the bad ETs have over mankind is from the top down;

Yeah, I've been getting that impression from various writers and their theories / claims.

Here's a bit of speculation I picked up somewhere.

From the unassuming gardener and altar boy in small rural churches, up to the wealthiest urban parishes, the Vatican's intelligence gathering system was the best in the world with their meticulous record keeping. Those confessional booths yielded so many secrets that could be used for blackmailing powerful parishioners to serve Rome's agenda.

Lotsa power, and money.