Patriotic Jews? Probably not.

[unipax]

Patriotic Jews? ... No.

According to my gut, that would be the opinion of the current regime in Israel, ie these guys are unpatriotic..... ( much like 'truthers' and '911 deniers' are labeled unpatriotic in certain circles)

Having said that, my hunch is that these guys are a bit less harmful than that current Israeli regime:
('these guys' = Jews / Rabbis against Zionism):

one minute version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2mTgq-jw8M&eurl=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread427219/pg1

ten minute version:
(notice what the Rabbi is saying each time the FOX guy cuts him off)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjnvQHWyLE&eurl=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread427219/pg1

IF the Rabbi is right, and if I understood him correctly, I just learned some important points:

* Jews & Muslims lived together like family in Palestine, until 50 some yrs ago Zionism showed up there and created a Zionist nation

* Anti semitism did plague Jews elsewhere across europe.

* Torah / God said: "No nation for you. You disobey, it gets ugly"

ps
this is just me tossing out my latest impressions, following the trail I find in front of me, looking for the true path.
So go ahead, give me your feedback. I say this because I know that this topic area can be kinda like a minefield.
I find it to be an interesting and significant trail, along my trail.

[Gale]

There are several verses in the Torah that state the Israelite's will be gathered together and become a great nation.

Jeremiah 31
Israel's Return Home
7 The LORD says,
"Sing with joy for Israel,
the greatest of the nations.
Sing your song of praise,
"The LORD has saved his(O) people;
he has rescued all who are left.'
8 I will bring them from the north
and gather them from the ends of the earth.
The blind and the lame will come with them,
pregnant women and those about to give birth.
They will come back a great nation.

It's religious belief vs religious belief.
Keep digging you'll find the truth.

[Norval]

As Jesus said in one of the prophesies that was fulfilled a few years before I was born; "The Jews would be trampled on by the nations till the end times." Today they are a "First World Power" with weapons to prove it. The boarders as outlined in the Document for "their" nation is theirs for the taking and keeping, and they have mostly done so.

As representatives of the Kingdom of the Galaxies (Heavens) they are no longer top dog. That job passed to the ones we call today the Called and or Chosen Ones which are from all walks of life and nations.

That's what I have been able to understand from studies of the Document (Bibles).

Mine fields are easily navigated by using many hand grenades to clear a path through the mines, , :lol:

[unipax]

What you guys think of the Zionist regimes in Israel?

Has Israel's govt been Zionist since day one?

Are the opposition party(s) in Israel also Zionist?

One item that gets me is the Rabbi saying that they got along fine with Palestinians before Zionists showed up.

What I know of the Israel / Palestine / Gaza / etc situation does not make the Israeli regime look good, to me.

[unipax]

It's religious belief vs religious belief.
Keep digging you'll find the truth.

Homework Shmomework.
I aint got so much time for homework.
If you got some truth, please pass it on.
;-P



Today they are a "First World Power" with weapons to prove it. The boarders as outlined in the Document for "their" nation is theirs for the taking and keeping, and they have mostly done so.

Would ya think they could share it?
I bet the anti Zionist Rabbi would share the land.
Zionist regime aint lookin so good to me.

He said they lived in peace for hundreds of years before the zionists arrived.

Could "nation" mean 'a people' rather than a political regime that claims geographical boundaries ?
The rabbi said jews were meant to live among many cultures.

I dont mean to be contrary but the rabbis way sounds more peaceful and accomodating than what I've seen lately in Gaza.

[Gale]

Sorry Unipax, I am not holding anything back, it's just that statement, "There are several verses in the Torah and Tanakh that state the Israelite's will be gathered together and become a great nation" with an example verse blows that Rabbi's claim that the Israelite's should be scattered among the nations, out of the water. His view point is from a religion, he even uses the word religion; which is a very narrow view of the world through that window. Then Norval pulls out the Document bullet and kills the rest of the story.

The claim "they lived in peace for hundreds of years before the Zionists arrived" is false, there has never been peace over there. There has always been someone stirring up :shit:

The Document outlines how we are to govern ourselves, how to treat others, your neighbors etc., this applies to all even those out there in the galaxies and we humans have an innate sense of right and wrong. The key word is govern, it is a government not a religion.

The Document does outline the Jews land claim even though the markers have been destroyed.

I try not letting the skirmishes overshadow my sight of the WAR that crashed here when the BET's were thrown down.

[unipax]

thanks Gale, for taking time to elaborate for me.
good info.

[unipax]

IF what I have been told / seen is true, the Zionists look bad, to me anyhow.
Things like Gaza give me that impression.
I mean, there are Israelis that want to live peacefully with their neighbors, and they oppose their govt on that issue.

Which are the BETs and the GETs in that conflict?

[unipax]

"Which are the BETs and which are the GETs in that conflict?"

I'd like to know whether or not the Zionist regime are the good guys or the bad guys.
Because as I said they aint lookin so good, by their acts... but on the other hand I also know that discernment it is not always that simple.

[Norval]

Any regime or group can get infiltrated and turned to wrong doing by the PTB over time and as their numbers grow. Trying to figure out the middle east conflicts at this point in time I think would be futile at best. I'll wait till I can get my "library card" of the Kingdom and then learn what really took place and why. I should be able to get it in full 3D video holographic projection by then. :)

One of the movies I have on my shelf is called "Sobibor" about a death camp for Jews. Quite the remarkable movie / documentary I think.