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[₣яэđĸĊ]

Hey, followed the latest Turkish plane crash link to your blog, then followed my nose to the "911 TOTAL PROOF" story, and watched part of the video.

Some interesting stuff from NYFD guys regarding bombs in the buildings.

Now, some things about pursuing the whole "Who done the 9/11" thing has always bothered me.

1. The subject matter has so much "bad info" speculation, should be's, etc tied to the various theories, that the "real press" [choke] has absolutely no interest. Might as well show them a pic of "Mom and a martian". They won't touch it.


An example of "bad info":
"Jet fuel burns at approximately 1,500 deg and you can't melt steel at that temperature."
Ok, fine.

The steel used in most of the buildings put up in this country is something called ASTM-36, or equivalent. Standard structural steel. Now this stuff derives it's structural integrity from two things:
A. The shape it is in, and
B. It's make-up and heat treating.
It takes both!

Now, go look up the temperature at which ASTM-36 becomes "annealed", or loses it's heat treating (strength) characteristics... Gosh! 1,500 degrees

2. What occurred on 9/11, in my opinion, becomes nearly meaningless when compared to what was done to our Constitution, and what was done in our name "because of it", out in the world. Here are the real crimes!

"But... but... over 2,500 Americans died on that day! Uh huh, and then over 4,000 US soldiers and counting were murdered, over 20,000 and counting were maimed, and from some accounts, some 1 million innocent people were murdered based upon a LIE told "because of" 9/11, and not only was nothing done about it, it didn't even come up in the next two elections, and is now being covered up most diligently by the succeeding administration!

Nothing will ever be done about them, and the reason is simple:
Both major political parties are complicit in these crimes! They all knew! They all did nothing! So, neither party can point at members in the other, without it falling on them (wink... nod... walk away quietly). THAT is why I have said since 2005 that, "No one will ever see a jail cell over any of this!"

3. Actionable evidence, is useless if no one will prosecute. and no one ever will (see #2).


Perfect example:
Since 2005 the previous President, and Vice-President have been on record, in writing, and on tape, admitting to over 30 counts of a federal felony, re. wiretapping laws. (That's impeachable)

The previous President, and Vice-President have been on record, in writing, and on tape, admitting to having used their office to cover that up!

Go look up "high crimes and misdemeanors". It is basically using the color of authority that comes with a political office to "subvert justice". That is precisely what there is hard evidence for. Textbook case impeachable! You don't even need to do any digging! Just play a tape of them talking to the press!

They also used their office, via threats to arrest Congressmen who pursued these crimes. "High crimes and misdemeanors" yet again. Not only that, they committed this crime against a co-equal branch of government whose job includes preventing just such acts, by the administrative branch!

Result? Nothing!
Reason? Two-fold:
A. Complicity
B. Envy of, and desire for the power created by these crimes.

This explains why "impeachment was off the table" on election night, 2006. It explains why this administration will not pursue or prosecute for any of these crimes. It explains why the current administration is using the exact same tactics to prevent the crimes from even coming to light! See story dated today (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29433285/)
"The Obama administration has lost its argument that a potential threat to national security is a good enough reason to stop a lawsuit challenging the government's warrantless wiretapping program.

The case began when the Bush administration accidentally turned over documents to Al-Haramain attorneys. Lawyers for the defunct charity said the papers showed illegal wiretapping by the National Security Agency.

The documents were returned to the government, which quickly locked them away, claiming they were state secrets that could threaten national security if released."
The Al-Haramain case is, once again the very definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors". Unfortunately, even though the 9th circuit has ruled in favor of this being an improper use of the "state secrets" claim, the S. Court will probably reverse this. They've never failed to do so.

In fact the courts have prevented holding govt accountable in this manner, even after the evidence was de-classified. (See the B-29 crash case during Eisenhower's admin). It seems that govt is accountable to other branches of govt, when they're in the mood, but never accountable to the people.
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So here's the problem:
The Bush admin has had 8 years to destroy/hide evidence.
The Obama admin seems hell-bent on helping them do that (see two-fold reason above)
Any "hard evidence" will not be acted upon by members of either major political party even when sworn to do so. ("Affairs of state take precedence over affairs of state." - Gov LePetomaine - Blazing Saddles)
Any useful evidence which could be found is then buried in with all the fanciful stuff which is specious, or irrelevant.
In my estimation, at best speed, the soonest you'd see a case ready to present to the proper authorities (They sure as hell won't do it), and challenge them to act (if they will), is probably about 10 years out.

This is why, from the beginning I have considered chasing "the truth" abut 9/11 to be a waste of time. Especially when compared with the hard evidence readily available to have impeached everyone complicit in the acts that followed. Not only did it stand a much better chance of "cleaning America's skirts", it would have prevented the complicit administration that followed.

Ten years from now, Cheney, the Constitution, and possibly even Bush will all be dead. Meanwhile those million we murdered, and all who sympathize with them will have ample time to plan, and exact their revenge. And once again the people will stupidly wonder, "Why do they hate us?"

Fred

[Norval]

Well, Fred, I left that circle jerk a long time ago. I haven't considered myself a US citizen for many years. Granted I live in that country, but I am not bound by it's laws anymore. Provided you have the "credentials" or approval of a foreign power, in this case a Kingdom governance that is far more powerful and just in it's ways, one has diplomatic immunity.

That was a day I will long remember as it caused "agents" to hunker down around me and let me tell you they were ever so on the watch and guard. The night before 9/11 was the first time any other vessel and people ever spent the night side tied to my boat! I knew something was sure as hell going on.

Rest assured those that took part in the atrocities of that day will pay for it.

[₣яэđĸĊ]

Ever get in a hurry, breeze by something, "reading it" but in fact now a damned thing stuck?

Well I dunnit agin.

So...
That was a day I will long remember as it caused "agents" to hunker down around me and let me tell you they were ever so on the watch and guard. The night before 9/11 was the first time any other vessel and people ever spent the night side tied to my boat! I knew something was sure as hell going on.Um... now that would be an account I'd love to read. Have you already posted some-such somewheres?

Unseen it begs a few questions, at least. Like:
"On the watch and guard", um... for you, or of you?

What brought them 'round to your place that particular day?

Who side-tied up? Gummint or just folk?

PS: "None o'yer damned business." is an acceptable answer, but I'm naturally nosey. S'how ya learn stuff. ;)


"credentials" or approval of a foreign power, in this case a Kingdom governance that is far more powerful Again... care to elaborate? I plead iggerance in this case, too.

[zorgon]

Jet fuel MAY burn at that temperature and MAY have weakened a few beams in the area of the fire...

BUT you forget something... the speed...

Jet fuel burns rapidly... so rapidly that the entire load of fuel is burnt in a mere few seconds...

[zorgon]

So 15 SECONDS after 'impact' ALL the fuel is burnt

[zorgon]

And before you can say its the furniture that burns hot enough...

You have to explain Wonder Woman to me...

See Wonder Woman is standing in the hole left by the 'airplane' just minutes after it happened...

Now how do you suppose she survived temperatures hot enough to soften steal?

Just because a flame is hot, does not mean the heat is transfered right away to an object. just as you can hold your hand over a candle flame for a few seconds before it gets to hot.

But Wonder Woman does not even have smudges on her white outfit...
In fact only one small office is still burning

[₣яэđĸĊ]

Ok, before someone misunderstands me here, I am not denying that a much larger event was hatched on 9/11 than the accepted story.

I am fairly certain that: There was for-knowledge of the 9/11 attack.
There was a conspiracy at work, larger than just al Qaeda
That there was physical damage done to the buildings beyond what aircraft did.
That there is probably physical evidence avail. to prove #3.
So now you're looking to establish: Physical evidence the collisions were "helped". Pictures of what it should or shouldn't have looked like won't do that. It can tell you where to look, and what for, but in court you either need forensic evidence, or a credible confession.
You'll need who set these explosives, or whatever it was that added to the damage.
You need to establish who directed them to do it. A credible chain of command.Now, most of the physical evidence has been carried off, and disposed of.
The people directly involved have no motive for coming forward, and would probably start disappearing if they did.
Those ultimately responsible have had 8 years to cover their tracks.

This is why I still say, the soonest you'd see a case ready to present to the proper authorities (They sure as hell won't do it), and challenge them to act (if they will), is probably about 10 years out.

Obama and his Justice Dept. have weighed in, basically refusing to pursue the criminal acts of the previous administration. They have even gone, and continue to go to court using the same tactics the Bush admin did to prevent evidence of any wrong-doing coming to light.

This means that the federal investigative agencies are neither going to lead, or cooperate in gathering evidence for this case. It also means that neither a Democrat, or Republican led administration is ever going to take it up, if they're handed one.
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Contrast the task involved in getting this done with what exists in public record, and public documents which proved the case for impeachment.

Item 1: 30 counts (min.).
Bush said in public, "If there are wiretaps going on, then there are warrants for them." It was a lie, and he knew it was. He also knew that to not have a warrant was illegal. So he lied to conceal an illegal act, coming to light.

Then in 2005 he admitted in public they were going on, but lied as to why and when they began.

Despite the fact they were saying things like this, during 2001:

2/24/01: Colin Powell, on a visit to Egypt, says that Saddam Hussein “has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.”

7/29/01: Condoleezza Rice says of Saddam, “We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.” However, she says, the administration will continue to apply “pressure.” means they were clueless about, ignoring, or oblivious to any rising threat. What they are certain of, is that Saddam Hussein presents no credible threat to his neighbors, or us.

The reason excuse really, for this spying didn't happen until 9/11/2001 but the spying is known to have started within 30 days of Bush taking the oath! Feb 29, 2001.

This is in the records of the various Telco's given immunity for what they did, and the one that wasn't because they refused.

Item 2: 1 count.
Bush personally intervened ( http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0315nj1.htm) to sideline the Justice Department probe in April 2006 begun at the request of the Senate Judiciary Committee, denying investigators the security clearances necessary for their work. The inquiry was in regards to the administration's warrantless domestic eavesdropping program.

Item 3: 1 count.
When Congress was informed of the illegal spying, they were also told they could neither take action, or tell members of Congress who were charged with taking action by their committee memberships. That if they did so they would be arrested for revealing national secrets. In short, they tried to stop Congress from doing it's job my "making it a crime to report a crime".
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This is at least 85% open and shut case, and nothing happened. Nothing is going to happen, either. Because no Democrat, or Republican led administration is ever going to take it up, either.

But this is the one I'm really disappointed about, though. I still think this would have been better served by everyone's time, and energy. It probably would have nailed the same people, too.

Also, pursuing this one, getting them impeached would have released more documents dealing with the 9/11 event, and killed off any future administration's ideas of trying something similar, as well.

This one the people could have insisted on. The people could have shut down this country until it was done, and it could not have been shunted off to some "special wait till everyone has forgotten about it committee", that then decides it's too late.

[Norval]

It was said by someone;
"The only ones that still have faith in the system, have yet to experience it."

Never truer words spoken about the worlds governments. IMHO

[zorgon]

but in court you either need forensic evidence, or a credible confession.

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK

DR. JUDY WOOD on behalf of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Plaintiff/Relator,
vs.
Defendants.

APPLIED RESEARCH ASSOCIATES, INC. (ARA),
SCIENCE APPLICATIONS INTERNATIONAL CORP.(SAIC),
UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES, INC.,
WISS, JANNEY, ELSTNER ASSOCIATES, INC. (WJE),
ROLF JENSEN & ASSOCIATES, INC.(RJA),
COMPUTER AIDED ENGINEERING ASSOCIATES, INC.,
SIMPSON GUMPERTZ & HEGER, INC. (SGH),
SKIDMORE, OWINGS & MERRILL, LLP (SOM),
GILSANZ MURRAY STEFICEK LLP (GMS),
HUGHES ASSOCIATES, INC. (HA),
ROSENWASSER/GROSSMAN CONSULTING ENGINEERS, P.C.,
S. K. GHOSH ASSOCIATES, INC. (GA),
TENG & ASSOCIATES, INC. (TA),
AJMAL ABBASI,
EDUARDO KAUSEL,
DAVID PARKS,
DAVID SHARP,
JOSEF VAN DYCK,
KASPAR WILLIAM,
DANIELE VENEZANO,
DATASOURCE, INC.,
GEOSTAATS, INC.,
NuSTATS,

EVIDENCE FOR DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS PUT FORWARD IN A DQA REQUEST FOR CORRECTION: PERSONS WITH SUPPORTING INFORMATION ARE ASKED TO COME FORWARD AND BE HEARD

http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/NIST/Qui_Tam_Wood.shtml

Star Wars Directed-Energy Weapons (DEW)
Molecular Dissociation: from Dust to Dirt

And don't forget the Category 5 hurricane off New York that day
Anomalies at the WTC and the Hutchison Effect

http://www.drjudywood.com/

[Bobbi]

Actually hurricane Erin never got past a Category 3 and by 9/11 had been downgraded to a Category 1, with only warnings of rough seas for the US east coast. The edge of the storm was approximately 150-200 miles offshore. Would it be necessary to fly that far offshore to turn a plane around? from the Norman Bergrun thread, post #15.

Am I missing something about this Category 5 hurricane? The only reference I can find for that day is set forth above.

[₣яэđĸĊ]

Zorgon;
Thanx fer the Doc Judy Wood link. Spent several hours there.
Days of stuff, no doubt.

A few of things I did carry away from there.

The disparity in the distribution of particle size is a real poser.
For there being "no explosions", the amount of dust, vs. other size debris... Hinky.

All the trucked in dirt. You'd think that if disease, etc from decaying bodies/parts was the concern,
they would have trucked in lime. Also begs the question what did they accomplish, or quell with all the dirt?
I mean, it was like they were "feeding" some corrosive element to equalize it.

The lack of "steam explosions" considering the amount of molten metal and water.

The damage to this truck is completely unbelievable.



1. The rust. It sure looks like the point of impact "splash" of something, to me.
2. the places "burned" with no surrounding smoke damage.
3. the places melted, without even paint damage.
4. the groove for the windshield. Glass, rubber, completely gone, yet the underlying paint not even
discolored. the surrounding frame for it appears as if melted, yet no heat damage.
5. Not a footprint, or a speck of debris from this disturbs the surrounding dust.

Kind of disheartening to think of the size of the military chain of command involved in something like this done.

Cowards every one.

[unipax]

I read most of Judy Woods' site a while back.

Then I read counter claims regarding her vs Stephen Jones. They claimed S Jones was untrustworthy, previously involved in discrediting of Gene Mallove, (I dont know if that is true.) Mallove was the cold fusion guy who was murdered as he and his colleagues were about to present their prototype energy device in New Hampshire.

Interesting that the Virginia Tech massacre of 33 (there's that number, again) took place in Professor Judy Woods' former classroom while she was investigating 911.

Recently I saw someone posting about a thermite mixture applied as paint or as the fireproofing material on structural steel.

Anyway, these days I figure that any multitude of combined destruction technologies (why not?) would have been used on 911, including Judy Woods scenario of space based DEW ...

IMO of course they would use all their possible demolition resources to make it collapse just as desired, and to test / train. I think they might even have reasons to allow it look suspicious to some degree. Then they could have further use for the conspiracy theory movement, as in additional manipulation and testing of the public mind.

Learning about 911 and all related scams thru history (and future) has been valuable toward raising my consciousness actually, as have some parts of what Don Harkins said in his '8 veils'.

Having said that...around this point of realization I sometimes wonder how useful this knowledge is whereas it seems less and less likely that the 911 truth will come out, and because in perspective, 911 loses some of its 'size' compared with the rest of their unfolding agenda. But I continue to follow the research.
Plus time takes its toll. "They" know that too. But

A similar example of this (I will call it "jading")
Years back, UFO lore had me hoping that wiser beings from afar could guide us 'home' and help us out of this mess.
Then... once I found out that (at least some of the) UFO sightings were staged by our own bad guys, and some or all of the UFO 'lore' may as well have been written by L. Ron Hubbard, my interest in the phenomena plummeted. Not that I have lost hope, mind you. After all, here I am hearing about a good king returning in a big ship.

[₣яэđĸĊ]

Anyway, these days I figure that any multitude of combined destruction technologies (why not?) would have been used on 911, including Judy Woods scenario of space based DEW ...

I think they might even have reasons to allow it look suspicious to some degree. Then they could have further use for the conspiracy theory movement, as in additional manipulation and testing of the public mind.

Far be it from me to further abuse an obviously deceased equine, but... allow me to here point out, yet again, the possibilities had one tenth of the energy used on 9/11, been used on the "open and shut case" for impeachment.

That in so doing, most of the roadblocks to obtaining an evidence trail re. 9/11 would have been removed, or at least unexpectedly re-shuffled. But then...

"Who could tell? Who'd care if we could tell? And who would we tell if we could or cared to?" ;)