Psychopaths or BETs ?

[unipax]

Another item from prison planet forum.
They dont speak much of BETs at ppf but they do have some good researchers there.
This one is about psychopaths and sociopaths in positions of power.
I found it fascinating.
One author claims that 4% - 6% of the population are psychopaths.
Does that mean approx 15 million Americans would be psychos ?

Here is link to the thread at ppf:
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=82489.msg515059;topicseen#msg51505 9

If that link doesnt work, go here: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/ and then follow these (the thread is worth the effort) :

PrisonPlanet Forum > ***THE MAIN BOARDS - Welcome to the Prison Planet Forum*** > General Discussion > Why Does the World Feel Wrong? Because Psychopaths Are In Control

excerpts:

Those of us who want little more than peace and freedom don’t run the world. Pursuing freedom contradicts controlling others, so we can reason that people who pursue power have some motivations separate from our own.

I have not fully comprehended the implications of this until recently. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, I had assumed that the people who wield power feel similarly about moral issues as I do—I just couldn’t see why they commit and justify unethical behavior. I already knew that states operate according to a code that the rest of us don’t follow in our own lives. Nevertheless, I assumed that a man who acts without regard to moral laws must feel guilty about it. Then, one day, I stumbled onto this idea: Suppose he doesn’t.

With only small ambitions, he probably behaves like a common criminal, a predator. He lies to gain advantage, uses force to get his way, and steals without conscience. Not feeling guilty about unethical behavior motivates him to instigate further criminal acts.

Small crime operations have one big problem, namely, the risk of getting caught. The prospect of prison appears unappealing, yet even with the high likelihood of arrest and capture during a career, common criminals approach their field with little sophistication and often pay the price. Other like-minded people see ways to avoid these problems. Just as normal people develop interests growing up and figure out how to pursue them at higher levels, a criminal mind can do the same. With greater intelligence and patience, he can pursue an ambitious career of criminality. With this objective in sight, one can easily see the state as the most expedient means to accomplish it.

Once a criminal joins forces with the state by becoming an employee, he can lie to his advantage, use force to get his way, and steal without conscience, just as the small-time operator does. The opportunities for mischief have no limits through thoughtful job selection. For example, if a man took pleasure in making innocent people squirm, he could become a police officer and plant evidence. For another, if he wanted to murder people, he could become a military officer and “accidentally” call in the coordinates of a house he’d like to see bombed. Whatever they do, the state shields them from the natural consequences of their actions. In all likelihood, if smart, they never get caught, never get punished, and probably get commended.

Too often, I have assumed that the people working for the state take the jobs only because of the easy hours and good pay, benefits, and retirement. For the predator, though, it offers all these things with the appetizing fringe benefit of satisfying their criminal urges without the risk of retribution.

It turns out this personality type has a scientific name: psychopathic. Lest you think I merely kid you, I quote from Scientific American:

Superficially charming, psychopaths tend to make a good first impression on others and often strike observers as remarkably normal. Yet they are self-centered, dishonest and undependable, and at times they engage in irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than the sheer fun of it. Largely devoid of guilt, empathy and love, they have casual and callous interpersonal and romantic relationships. Psychopaths routinely offer excuses for their reckless and often outrageous actions, placing blame on others instead. They rarely learn from their mistakes or benefit from negative feedback, and they have difficulty inhibiting their impulses.

This seems like a nearly perfect description of those who seek political power. That same article goes on to say that fields over-represented by psychopaths may include “politics, business and entertainment. Yet the scientific evidence for this intriguing conjecture is preliminary.” It turns out that much stronger evidence for this exists than the article lets on.

[Gale]

The one thing to consider with all sociological or psychological labels, averages, bell curves etc., they do not represent correctly for humanity. Those bell curves are all skewed, they would include the ET's living among us. So all that science can be thrown in the garbage.

[Gary]

This is a great thread and it reminds me of a book I read, Crime and Punishment, by Fyodor Dostoevsky,
Here is a quote.
"If he has a conscience he will suffer for his mistake. That will be punishment-as well as the prison."
Well this student has a theory that all great leaders have no conscience and a true leader, even if he commits murder will never have to pay for his crime, for destiny is on his side, how many times have we heard Bush and Blair and the like, Hitler in fact utter these stupid words? Destiny is on my side!
Any way, the student guy tries out his own theory and........... sorry, you will have to read the rest your self! hahahaha!:bananen_smilies065:

[Gary]

The one thing to consider with all sociological or psychological labels, averages, bell curves etc., they do not represent correctly for humanity. Those bell curves are all skewed, they would include the ET's living among us. So all that science can be thrown in the garbage.
Well you have to take into account that most of these people, ET'S come from a privileged background anyway, so they think on a different wavelength to us to begin with and, because of there privileged background most decisions made are based on greed and power anyway.

My first wife was a millionaire's daughter, wow, the things her father did would make your toes curl but he didn't worry, or have a conscience about anything, I often likened him to the devil, really!

[unipax]

Originally Posted by Gale View Post
The one thing to consider with all sociological or psychological labels, averages, bell curves etc., they do not represent correctly for humanity. Those bell curves are all skewed, they would include the ET's living among us. So all that science can be thrown in the garbage.

Probably, if you are referring to the numbers / percentages suggested in the piece.

Beyond that, what I found informative is the descriptions of behaviors assigned to the types.

For example, a friend and I used to marvel at the total lack of remorse that we observed in an acquaintance who was known for delivering assorted abuses to co-workers.

Interestingly, the same person was present when the Golden Rule was mentioned.
The abusive one spoke up and said "What's the Golden Rule?" .

We thought she was kidding. No, she had never heard of it, at age 35 or so.

BETs, or sociopaths or psychopaths.... whatever they are this info has shed some more light on my view of people's behavior.

We would also marvel at how amazing we found it that these deceitful dishonest abusive types were so prevalent in certain business and management positions

[Norval]

There is much about this topic that needs to be said. :)

[Norval]

Most bad ETs when "cornered", or confronted, will "lose it" big time and never can own up to the truth. They will rant and rave about egos, about arrogance, and so on without ever acknowledging their own screw ups. They are exceptionally manipulative and get very upset when you don't do things their way.

Michael at AV was a great example of this kind of behavior to say the least, and it will still get demonstrated from time to time here as ones are exposed as either agents or bets. At least here we can protect ourselves to a great extent from such behaviors and consequences of them "losing it" when they do "pop". Here we can counter their tactics and use them as examples of behavioral patterns to watch for.

It's not about how many posters, or posts, or threads, one has in a forum, but the quality and content of posts that are there. There are some great posters here and any that may care to join in this deep of an awakening, that includes knowing your enemies and why they are YOUR enemies, can do so with just a few emails. Interesting times indeed.

[Norval]

A bad ET, or Psychopath?

After this bit of drama with Gary, , , what would he be classified as?

[Norval]

This is called On-the-Job Training (OJT)
This is not meant to be mean to "Gary". It is meant to demonstrate the characteristics of probable bet influence, like type 2 or 3 below. At least that is what seems to be the probable cause in this matter.

Many, or all, probably, so called, psychiatrists fail to take into account the bet influence and try to write it up to so-called psychotic "demons", a psychosis that makes one a psychopath. Let's face it, this is not taught in any accredited course. Oh, they have drugs to help you. The question is, help who? The bet influence trying to take you over, or the real you?

Pharmakia (pharmaceuticals) is a greek word that is most often translated as sorcery or witchcraft, yet it means DRUGS. Mixers of potions. Condemned in Revelations.

Here are the basic levels of bad ET enemies that you are up against in the forums.
1. Direct bet physical involvement, IE; sitting at a keyboard typing to YOU.
These includes non-human looking aliens with access to the net.
2. A possessed human. (By a bet using advanced technology to "displace" the human with their own consciousness.)
3. An Influenced human acting on bet prompts or thoughts.

A "persons" attitude, or "heart", is the true definer of a bet's level of control over a human if
it is someone that is "possessed", being influenced, to any extent.

#1 is usually a poster that gives very little personal information and tries to hide on the net. They are highly protective of their ISPs and use proxies most of the time. Often they are on the "inside" of forums or work their way into those positions as rapidly as possible.

These are not the tactics of IAC agents. They are the tactics and responses of a bet's mental attitude. Gary displayed a text book example of bet tactics and attitude when failing at a task.

[Norval]

, , , , , , , , , , , , , doing the "bump", , , , , , , , , , ,

[unipax]

Using Gary just as an example
No Offense Gary!

I think:
3. An Influenced human acting on bet prompts or thoughts.



A "persons" attitude, or "heart", is the true definer of a bet's level of control over a human if it is someone that is "possessed", being influenced, to any extent.

This is good IMO.
I referred to goodheartedness in a post about Anti Illuminati.
I associated 'fervor' with my sense of A Jones' being sincere, but I dunno anymore.

My sense of ones 'heart' is perhaps my favorite measure of quality.
It is sweet when it is good.
But yuck it do suck when I encounter the other.
It defines the term 'heartless'.
Sometimes it discombobulates me for a few minutes.

[unipax]

ps
bumping is good !
.................................

I missed this when reading it days ago,


Many, or all, probably, so called, psychiatrists fail to take into account the bet influence and try to write it up to so-called psychotic "demons", a psychosis that makes one a psychopath. Let's face it, this is not taught in any accredited course. Oh, they have drugs to help you. The question is, help who? The bet influence trying to take you over, or the real you?


Those last three sentences...I had often thought of that in terms of the SSRI drugs being spirit-killers, but I never thought of the drugs in terms of BETs. Well duh, I hadnt heard of BETs.
wow, dangarang !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thnx

ps
reminded of from other threads;
thats the kinda thing accepted here which oh so many people arent ready for... ie Big Pharma designing drugs to help aliens possess humans

[unipax]

ps
... ie Big Pharma designing drugs to help aliens possess humans

and that reminds me of compartmentalization... ie it is conceivable to me that some of the chemists could be following orders without really knowing about BETs and possession.

that is about just how conscious and willing some may or may not be participating.
Would chemists have to be consciously and willingly operating as BET agents?
Or just 'influenced?
I think the latter.

[Gale]

Unipax, why are you so interested in identifying the bad guys when you haven't even read the Document to find out who the good guys are? Without doing that you will end up labeling everyone the bad guys.

That's like trying to get through the doorway without opening the door or get to the holiday vacation destination at the end of the train ride without getting on the train.

Otherwise you will end up just confusing yourself more.

[unipax]

Unipax, why are you so interested in identifying the bad guys when you haven't even read the Document to find out who the good guys are? Without doing that you will end up labeling everyone the bad guys.


Hey!
I was getting there. You stole my 'punch line', but thanx.


Unipax, Unipax, why are you so interested in identifying the bad guys when you haven't even read the Document to find out who the good guys are? Without doing that you will end up labeling everyone the bad guys.

Actually I think I've been making excuses for possible good guys such as anti illuminati.

[Norval]

Three times Gary accused Gale of being a bet.
I have known Gale for over eight years, and Gary for less than eight months.

Yes, Gary demonstrates the attitude of bet influence and acceptance of it.
He is unwilling to accept the consequences of his actions.
He is unable to fight this influence as his heart agrees with it.

It is possible that he still could have a change of heart and attitude. He could, in fact, win out against this influence. Time will tell, and that time is about up and could even be up.

[unipax]

at ppforum the psychopath thread has mucho analysis of psychopath behavior which I find useful just switching word to BET behavior.
A poster named TahoeBlue is putting lotsa psychopath info up there.


A Different Species

Some researchers agree that the traits exhibited by these people produce a division stronger than age, race, and religion, which places them in a new category of people. In other words, these people are almost not human as we know it. The word antisocial does not describe someone who prefers to sit at home rather than attend gatherings. More accurately it means antihuman. Most people can't bring themselves to understand the mind-set of a psychopath. Dr. Hare explained, "Imagining the world as the psychopath experiences it is close to impossible."

... imagine if these writers recognized them as BETs

link:


Why Does the World Feel Wrong? Because Psychopaths Are In Control
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=82489.40

[Norval]

... imagine if these writers recognized them as BETs

link:

, , , , imagine if others besides Gale and I learn to identify them?

, , , , we try to imagine that.

[unipax]

Those others just need to read the book ?

Know of any other ways to learn it?

I have been told that educators identify students according to how they learn and strive to deliver the info accordingly.
I think there are four or five types, if I recall .
For example, I have difficulty digesting what I read in the document.
Video works well for me, as does reading your and sfth's interpretation of what is in the document

[Norval]

Yes, I am sure today's educators are prime and shinning examples of how to edumacate beings. :lol:

[unipax]

The google video "UFOs & the Bible in history & in prophecy" worked well for me.

I'll continue with the document, but the other ways work better for me.

Can you recommend others or written material that reads more easily than the document?

[Norval]

If you don't know what the Document says,
YOU won't know when someone is lying about what it says. :(

[unipax]

great
then please tell me where to read how to ID them bad bets
is it in the book of Jasher?

[Norval]

, , , , , , , , and probably Gad and Ido too!

[unipax]

, , , , , , , , and probably Gad and Ido too!

'Ido' ? Where's Ido to be found please? East of Spokane?
Aint no Ido at Gale's sacred texts site. What do Ido say?

Gad filled 2 pages about the wisdom, nature, and price of hatred.
That was readable.
Gad's hatred seen as a BET ID trait / bait. No surprise there.
Again, I wont be surprised if all or most of the psychopath ID traits qualify as some of the BET traits cuz I think psychopath is a misnomer for BET.
I could find no more on Gad. Just two pages?

thnx Norval

I bumped into Asher there. Around two faced behavior, Asher offers as much BET trait/bait ID info as Gad (or to me perhaps more).
These traits generally fit in my file marked "heart quality".
Like some others I'm sure, I developed my own ways of assessing heart quality in people, long before I heard of psychopaths or sociopaths or BETs.
Maybe kids can spot BETs right off the bat.
I wont be surprised if BET traits are in that heart file.
It is other BET traits unknown and unimagined that I'd like to know about in order to facilitate spotting them.

[Norval]

Often mankind is mistaken for being a psychopath when it is the bets that drove them to madness. Like ones that shoot their families or spouses, "Because they weren't my family / spouse, they were someone else."

Deception breeds confusion, confusion breeds insanity, and the world seems to have gone insane. As the OP indicates.

[Gale]

"Because they weren't my family / spouse, they were someone else."

That tv series 'Invasion' depicted that quite well, it's about a hurricane and the aftermath in Homestead, Florida; even down to the smell.


You smell different Mommy

[Norval]

When it comes to fighting the bet influence a parable Jesus spoke, known as The Parable of the Seeds, comes to mind. When it comes to Gary, the part about "cares of this world" comes to mind.

[unipax]

thanx for the parable

this psychopath subject is a rich mine