Whats up with Global Warming?

[Heretic]

Ok so this is how I understand global warming…

The earth IS warming up

It is not man made because (via NASA) ALL the planets are warming up

Higher temps means more convection and thus more water vapor therefore more extreme weather such as tons and tons of all kinds of excessive precipitation including snow and ice

What I don’t understand is why the PTB hasn’t used this analogy as they don’t even have to disclose about the other planets

These global warming scientists are talking about Arctic melting and endangered polar bears...

Thus there seems to be an impasse in this whole global warming debacle in which we have one camp saying it is warming while the other camp is pointing at the snow and is laughing at the global warming camp

It makes sense to me, and I am a layman, seems to me that snow, ice, glacierization, the works, is all part of the warming process

So either I see something that the PTB are not capitalizing on or I am using bad science.

Am I missing something here?

[zorgon]

They don't know... that is why...

The planets are heating up... yet according to Ulysses space craft and ground observations the Sun is at a low point... the solar wind is the lowest EVER recorded

"The sun's million mile-per-hour solar wind inflates a protective bubble, or heliosphere, around the solar system. It influences how things work here on Earth and even out at the boundary of our solar system where it meets the galaxy," said Dave McComas, Ulysses' solar wind instrument principal investigator and senior executive director at the Southwest Research Institute in San Antonio, Texas. "Ulysses data indicate the solar wind's global pressure is the lowest we have seen since the beginning of the space age."

http://ulysses.jpl.nasa.gov/

Low Sun Activity Raising Fears of ICE AGE!!!

This is why we shouldn't let liberals destroy our economy. Liberals are now starting to replace "global warming!" with "climate change!". Get ready for an ICE AGE!, though, because a lot more reliable cause of climate change (the sun) is going through a lull in activity which will cause cooling

NASA - Spotless Sun: Blankest Year of the Space Age
Sep 30, 2008 ... 27, 2008, the sun had been blank, i.e., had no visible sunspots, on 200 days of the ... If solar activity continues as low as it has been, ...
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/30sep_blankyear.htm

Sun's face virtually spot-free for months - space - 03 September ...
Only a handful of sunspots have marred the Sun's face during all of 2008 - the next ... Lengthy periods of low sunspot activity, on the other hand, ...
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14652

I have posted in several forums the ice core records from Lake Vostok... Samples that accurately without refute show climate changes over 415,000 years (The last time lake Vostok saw the light of day was 420,000 years ago...)



Stock up on warm clothes... the change can happen in as little as 20 years

[Norval]

By Zorgon,
I have posted in several forums the ice core records from Lake Vostok... Samples that accurately without refute show climate changes over 415,000 years (The last time lake Vostok saw the light of day was 420,000 years ago...)

, , , , and yet I accept as truth the maps that show the Antarctic free of ice less than 2,000 years ago. To each their own acceptance of "facts".

[Heretic]

hmmm...

The lost world beneath the Antarctic ice

British scientists search for life forms hidden more than 400,000 years ago beneath Antarctic ice
By Steve Connor, Science editor

Saturday, 7 March 2009


(http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-lost-world-beneath-the-antarctic-ice-1639247.html?action=Popup)
Press Handout
Scientists start explorations in the two-mile-thick ice sheet above Lake Ellsworth in Antarctica


British scientists are about to mount one of the boldest-ever missions, to search for life forms that have survived for possibly millions of years in a frozen "lost world" beneath an ancient ice sheet.

This week, a team of Antarctic scientists has been given the go-ahead to drill through a two-mile-thick sheet of ice that has sealed a sub-glacial lake from the rest of the biosphere for at least as long as Homo sapiens has walked the Earth.

They hope to find species that have survived below the ice sheet since it formed between 400,000 and two million years ago. Finding life in such an extreme environment would be one of the most important discoveries of the century, raising the prospect of searching for extra-terrestrial life on Europa, a moon of Jupiter where life is thought to exist beneath a frozen ocean. The scientists plan to use sophisticated ice-drilling technology developed in the UK to penetrate the ice cap and enter the liquid-water world of Lake Ellsworth in West Antarctica, one of about 150 sub-glacial lakes scientists have recently mapped with ice-penetrating radar.


and a related tid-bit further into the article...

Technical problems have dogged a similar Russian project to penetrate a much bigger lake called Vostok in East Antarctica. The Russian project is also mired in controversy because it is based on a non-sterile drilling technology that uses kerosene as a lubricant, which could easily contaminate the pristine environment of Lake Vostok.

"The Russians won't be putting a probe into Lake Vostok; they are just going to puncture through the lake water," Professor Siegert said. "But they are having problems drilling through the ice and they stopped again this season. In terms of who is leading the science of this work, then it's our project because it's the UK that's putting a probe in and taking direct measurements and samples, and taking sediments from the floor of the lake; that will be the first time."

READ FULL ARTICLE (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-lost-world-beneath-the-antarctic-ice-1639247.html)

[Bobbi]

Anyone remember what happened to the indigenous peoples of South America when the conquistadors dropped in for a visit bringing with them viruses and bacteria completely harmless to their continents, but deadly to the South Americans? How many of those diseases where transmitted by air? How many by direct contact? Anyone have any clue what lies beneath that ice that might, or could, or will, end up fatally disruptive to the Earth's current population? What kind of quarantines can, or will, or should be "effectively" (hah) enforced to assure the earth's population isn't decimated?

This same scenario has occurred numerous times throughout history in many different continents over many, many centuries in many different ways. How sad that history continues to repeat itself, in spite of the horrific results! And when it's too late and the damage is done, they'll say ,"But we thought we had all the bases covered." Oh wellllll.

[zorgon]

and yet I accept as truth the maps that show the Antarctic free of ice less than 2,000 years ago.

Well if your accepted truth is true, then we won't have to worry about the Russians or the British releasing those microbes :dots:

[Gale]

If the H1N1 type A influenza can be resurrected from a 1918 dead body I wouldn't rule out the same being possible for a 2000 year old dead body, or mummy or quick frozen mammoth with food still in its throat.
They may find a whole ecosystem they might wish they had never found.
I agree with Bobbi, ohh welll.

[Bobbi]

Come to think about it, this could be the very means of the death and destruction of 2/3 of the population and still leave the bulk of the infrastructure intact. Shades of Stephen King's "The Stand". Hmmmm

[Norval]

What arouses my curiosity is why few are talking about the increased water in our upper atmosphere. The evidence for this in in the Signs in the Sky threads. What would the earth be like if the oceans receded by 500 feet? 1,000 feet? As the earth was enveloped by clouds prior to the flood according to the Document, kind of like Venus is today, what if it is being returned to that condition? Being given back it's protective cloud cover.

[zorgon]

If we got that cloud cover back we would live longer as they did BEFORE the flood. All that cosmic radiation isn't good for you ages the cells quickly

How old was Noah?

[zorgon]

As the earth was enveloped by clouds prior to the flood according to the Document,

Can you quote me where it says that?

Thanks

[Norval]

Gen. 1:6-7 try that to get a start, then note clouds are not mentioned till after the flood at Gen. 9:13. Lightening was not known till after the flood, nor were the stars seen till after the flood also. Getting the picture? Yes, the radiation would be far less with a thick water filled upper atmosphere.

Noah was 950. He lived 350 years after the flood.
Ham, a son of Noah, was born before the flood and yet out lived Abraham's wife Sarah.

[Bobbi]

This morning, in my daily news forays, I found an article that brought about a great many questions, speculations, potentialities and intrigue. Apparently, the waters of earth are warming - to unprecedented levels in some areas. The ramifications of such occurences are obvious and "seemingly" destructive. However, I believe it to be a matter of perception, mostly especially in light of The Document.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090820/ap_on_sc/us_sci_warm_oceans

Appended to this article were two other websites that I found most interesting. The first is the State of the Climate with interesting current trends in weather statistics from around the world.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?reportglobal&year2009&month7

The other one is a record of water temperatures for coastal waters around and near the US.

http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/dsdt/cwtg/all.html

What's your take on all this?

[Gale]

That was rather interesting, it takes more energy to heat up water than to heat up the land. So an expenditure of more than necessarily required resources are being used to drive this rebuild of our ice uv filter cloud coverage. So wouldn't the most environmental stress be felt with the water and less on the land but with some unavoidable land environment stress (since we live on the land)? That's pretty nice of Him, that's pretty kewl, thanks.

As a side bar, just for added confusion on one of those pages it was mentioned that some areas of the water are getting colder or reported no significant rise in temperature.

As for coral reefs, well with a subtropic world wouldn't there be thriving coral reefs up the ying yang?

[Bobbi]

It would appear that a balancing act is being pursued to achieve an average. The article also stated that a strange weather pattern is developing wherein the waters are overly warm, but the land masses are colder. I spoke with my dad last night in the midwest and they aren't getting the heat they are usually accustomed to in August and their crops are almost 3 weeks behind. If they don't get the heat required to ripen the crops (wheat in my dad's case), the seed heads will have too much moisture in them and will rot after harvest.

As far as the coral reefs, their current purpose may very well have been achieved and will no longer be required when the earth becomes equalized and might even be replaced by a new species of coral suitable for the new water temps. Just a thought.

[sfth13]

I thought Coral only lived in warm water but I found this video about Deep Cold Water Coral. I started searching after I watched Drain the Ocean on Nat Geo.

[Norval]

Well, we know our atmosphere is changing, and our oceans. But, who are we as yet to know how to keep our ecology going? We are just , , , :bananen_smilies015:

[Gale]

Some noted planetary anomalies, hmmmmm