Project Avalon Camelot, Banned but not forgotten.

[Norval]

Project Avalon Camelot, Banned but not forgotten.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3194&page=11

02-15-2009, 12:54 PM Post #251 - 16,447 Views
Posted By Kathleen
Project Avalon Advisor

I never understood why Norval's RESEARCH was allowed to remain in the
Whistleblower's Category of the forum. He's a researcher NOT a whistleblower. WB's are insiders that have proof positive...they have been there..... I guess it was just "easier" to let it be as the scene was becoming vitriolic with people in their cups posting and ego flaunting and general uncivil behaviour....ah well....maybe it's time to move it out of WBT.

I'm not looking for a debate about what is or isn't a whistleblower.....but has anyone wondered why we aren't getting any people coming forward? Anonymous or otherwise....


"anyone wondered why we aren't getting any people coming forward?"
, , , maybe because they have the wrong "advisors" over at PAC? :lol:

As for OUR research, mine and Gales, besides it being one of the all time biggest draws at PAC, has it's merits in that we did prove that the governments were covering up this Sol System War by ETs and blew the whistle on that cover up. Just maybe that is why it hasn't been moved Kathleen. :bananen_smilies018:

[zorgon]

What always got me about those 'whistle blowers' is that in very few cases do they have real credentials that can prove they were ever in the position they claim to be...

And then they give information on things that would not have been in their field of specialty even if they were who they claim to be...

Yet they are taken at their word...

Much better to be a researcher who blows the whistle than a 'whistle blower' with no research

[unipax]

dang, we live in interesting times

[Cookie]

Noval, they probably kept it in whistleblowers because all the other wbs made themselves scarce! At least you and Gale were willing to share your well researched and viable information with them! But, I don't think their mind-set could really understand it.. They are looking to put a metaphysical band aid on the world's problems and you and Gale are telling it like it is. There's a hugh difference between your work and Greens messages... Makes some people very uncomfortable...

Did you notice how the members there were encouraged to read George Green's Handbook for the New Paradym series. One day, while in the mod chat, I said something about Greens work and that I just don't take channelled material as gospel.. especially when it's comes from ets, benevolent or not... Thats when I was informed that the whole Avalon concept was based on Greens information...and that's when I couldn't take it seriously anymore.

Cheers!
Cookie

[zorgon]

Thats when I was informed that the whole Avalon concept was based on Greens information...and that's when I couldn't take it seriously anymore.

Very interesting... thanks for that...

[unipax]

Honest, I dont mean to say that I get it where others do not.
But sometimes I just dont understand how so many cannot see what I see.

Oh, that reminds me ..

Since it has helped me understand, I will post it again here:


From the December 2001 Idaho Observer:

Slavery and the eight veils

by Don Harkins

Over the last several years I have evolved and discarded several theories in an attempt to explain why it is that most people cannot see truth -- even when it smacks them in the face. Those of us who can see “the conspiracy” have participated in countless conversations amongst ourselves that address the frustration of most peoples' inability to comprehend the extremely well-documented arguments which we use to describe the process of our collective enslavement and exploitation. The most common explanation to be arrived at is that most people just “don't want to see” what is really going on.

Extremely evil men and women who make up the world's power-elite have cleverly cultivated a virtual pasture so grass green that few people seldom, if ever, bother to look up from where they are grazing long enough to notice the brightly colored tags stapled to their ears.

The same people who cannot see their enslavement for the pasture grass have a tendency to view as insane “conspiracy theorists” those of us who can see the past the farm and into the parlor of his feudal lordship's castle.

Finally, I understand why.

It's not that those who don't see that their freedom is vanishing under the leadership of the power-elite “don't want to see it” -- they simply can't see what is happening to them because of the unpierced veils that block their view.

All human endeavors are a filtration process. Sports is one of the best examples. We play specific sports until we get kicked off the playground. The pro athletes we pay big bucks to watch just never got kicked off the playground. Where millions of kids play little league each spring, they are filtered out until there are about 50 guys who go to the World Series in October.

Behind the first veil: There are over six billion people on the planet. Most of them live and die without having seriously contemplated anything other than what it takes to keep their lives together. Ninety percent of all humanity will live and die without having pierced the first veil.

The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, be active and have an opinion. Our opinions are shaped by the physical world around us; we have a tendency to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other “experts” are voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the second veil.

The second veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The third veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the third veil to find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the world's economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil.

The fourth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil.

The fifth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil.

The sixth veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the sixth veil where the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real and are the controlling forces behind the secret societies. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil.

The seventh veil: I do not know what is behind the seventh veil. I think it is where your soul is evolved to the point you can exist on earth and be the man Ghandi was, or the woman Peace Pilgrim was-people so enlightened they brighten the world around them no matter what.

The eighth veil? Piercing the eighth veil probably reveals God and the pure energy that is the life force in all living things-which are, I think, one and the same.

If my math is accurate there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people.

Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can't, the more insane he appears to them.

Our enemy, the state

Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder -- their combined stations in life are to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security worth dying for.

Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite. It is common for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce.

Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of “Our Enemy, the State” (1935), explained what happens to those who find the seventh and eighth veils: “What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer.”

Conclusions

And so now we know that it's not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, “they don't want to see,” the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply “can't see” it as surely as I cannot see what's on the other side of a closed curtain.

The purpose of this essay is threefold: To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity; 2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the b

[unipax]

PS

As others have said,
I dont know for sure about the dragons and lizards part of the 8 veils.

Except for that part, I accept it. Maybe the dragons and lizards are metaphors or symbolic of some ET thingy, or maybe they really are dragons and lizards.

If they really are dragons and lizards.. maybe still they are some kinda ET thingy anyhow.

[unipax]

Originally Posted by Cookie View Post
Thats when I was informed that the whole Avalon concept was based on Greens information...and that's when I couldn't take it seriously anymore.


Very interesting... thanks for that...

Agreed, that is useful info.
thanks Cookie

[Gale]

unipax, there is a simple answer why some cannot see no matter how hard one tries to explain. It is the Incompetency Syndrome and we are told about this in the Document.

II Thessalonians 2:11
RSV with Apocrypha
Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe
what is false,
New RSV
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading
them to believe what is false,
King James Version
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should
believe a lie:

[Norval]

These are the main threads by Gale and I in the WBS forum at PAC.
Note the number of posts and views! We were one of the biggest draws they had.

Posted by Unipax in "Awareness level re War in Solar system"
http://earthsbanner.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1072&postcount=17

The Bible, It's About Disclosure
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2094
The Bible, Our Conclusion by Norval and Gale
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5854
The Bibles Signs in our Sky's.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5187
Recent War in our Solar System by Norval and Gale.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3194
Calm down and read it.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4423
Search for Truth - Amnesty or Vengeance?
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3264
The Open letter to Bill and Kerry
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4115

As for Green's shit, we put the Document up as the true Ground Crew Handbook and that pissed the PTB there off to no end also. :lol:

While Don Harkins can only guess at the 7th and 8th veils, we know. It ain't what he thinks, , :)

I repaired the links, , ,

[unipax]

all those Avalon links came up in my browser as :

Page not found
The page you are looking for might have been removed,
had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
Please try the following:

If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is spelled correctly.

- Click the Back button in your browser to try another link.
- Use a search engine like Google to look for information on the Internet.
HTTP 404 - File not found

[Swami Salami]

Same overhere...................

[unipax]

unipax, there is a simple answer why some cannot see no matter how hard one tries to explain. It is the Incompetency Syndrome and we are told about this in the Document.

II Thessalonians 2:11
RSV with Apocrypha
Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe
what is false,
New RSV
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading
them to believe what is false,
King James Version
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should
believe a lie:

Yeah. Thnx
What about when people "wake up" ?

[Norval]

Well, thanks for the heads up there guys, , I repaired the links.

Unipax,
What kind of "wake up" are you asking about there?

[Norval]

Noval, they probably kept it in whistleblowers because all the other wbs made themselves scarce! At least you and Gale were willing to share your well researched and viable information with them! But, I don't think their mind-set could really understand it.. They are looking to put a metaphysical band aid on the world's problems and you and Gale are telling it like it is. There's a hugh difference between your work and Greens messages... Makes some people very uncomfortable...
Cheers!
Cookie

Shortly after I and Gale joined up at PAC I noticed that the Whistle Blower Forums assigned to the big names closed out their areas. But, not before I noticed that they were catching hell for not responding to questions that proved that they were, uhmmmm, less than truthful and honest just before they closed out their personal forum sections. :lol:

Things are about to get "very uncomfortable" for "some" in this forum soon too.

[Cookie]

Things are about to get "very uncomfortable" for "some" in this forum soon too.

I'm so curious about this statement, I'm about ready to bust!
I hope that my opinionated and out spoken beliefs haven't put
me is the "some" catagory!

[unipax]

Well, thanks for the heads up there guys, , I repaired the links.

Unipax,
What kind of "wake up" are you asking about there?

In context of that above post, I meant "waking up" only as realizing that our 'authorities' have been lying to us about all the important stuff.

................

That begs more questioning, which it seems usually comes in stages (of 'unblinding' apparently) .. as in:

"Why are they lying / what are they hiding ?" Who are the liars?
In a recent stage of awakening I (partially) saw it as:
They're hiding UFO propulsion technology because "free" energy tech spells the end of their power and control structure.

Now I'm hearing more about Sol Sys War. Before, I only had the glimmer that the missing planet (asteroid belt) had been blown up, (how?).

Next comes
Who was warring? Why warring?
Warring for how long? Asteroid belt been there since when?
When wars end there are usually winners and losers.

BETs got thrown down here and took control, or were they already in control ? Why here? Where are the winners?

Thats been part of my "waking up" / unblinding

.........................

But when I asked Gale "What about when people "wake up?" I was thinking only about when people have their first realization that the 'authorities' have been lying about the important stuff. I had not taken it as far as I just did in this post, via a chain of logic as in who was warring and why etc

Once you get that there was a war, all kinds of questions need to be addressed unless you prefer sleeping ie taking the blue pills.

[Gale]

In context of that above post, I meant "waking up" only as realizing that our 'authorities' have been lying to us about all the important stuff.

................

That begs more questioning, which it seems usually comes in stages (of 'unblinding' apparently) .. as in:

"Why are they lying / what are they hiding ?" Who are the liars?
In a recent stage of awakening I (partially) saw it as:
They're hiding UFO propulsion technology because "free" energy tech spells the end of their power and control structure.

Now I'm hearing more about Sol Sys War. Before, I only had the glimmer that the missing planet (asteroid belt) had been blown up, (how?).

Next comes
Who was warring? Why warring?
Warring for how long? Asteroid belt been there since when?
When wars end there are usually winners and losers.

BETs got thrown down here and took control, or were they already in control ? Why here? Where are the winners?

Thats been part of my "waking up" / unblinding

.........................

But when I asked Gale "What about when people "wake up?" I was thinking only about when people have their first realization that the 'authorities' have been lying about the important stuff. I had not taken it as far as I just did in this post, via a chain of logic as in who was warring and why etc

Once you get that there was a war, all kinds of questions need to be addressed unless you prefer sleeping ie taking the blue pills.

I found my answers of who, what, why etc. in the Document. It has the only answers that put the puzzle pieces together for me. I just had to take the time to read it!!!

[Norval]

PAC, for me, was a perfect test place of this information against a large draw new forum before the "disrupters" gained control. We can all see the results of that little effort and the results. It was very interesting to both Gale, Bobbi and I. We have had years of experience in this Info War on the web and used that to our advantage this time. We also had some help for a change. That blew us away. Eventually the PTB put that spiritual Band-Aid on it and we shook the dust from our sandals against them and walked away, banned with pride. Sometimes yah just gots to use the term, "Broken Arrow", or as we call it "Overrun with Bad ETs and Agents". Welcome to the WWW INFO WAR. Apparently the final battle before disclosure is forced on us by the incoming good ETs. :)

[Norval]

"Once you get that there was a war, all kinds of questions need to be addressed unless you prefer sleeping ie taking the blue pills."

Have you managed to find those answers to your satisfaction in your time here Unipax? They are all answered, here in the forum, except one, the one about how long the asteroid belt has been here.

[unipax]

Have you managed to find those answers to your satisfaction in your time here Unipax?

Yeah thanx, for the most part ie the ones which to me comprise the essential points

I posted my synopsis of them in an earlier thread.

[Norval]

, , , our war thread is now over 18,087 views at PAC, , ,

still the most viewed thread in that section, , , heh heh heh :)

[Norval]

Gale pointed out an incident at the Barcelona 2009 Exopolitical Conference where Steven Greer is involved, after reading it I did a quick scan of their stuff on this page and it appears that the deceivers are losing their minds, , LOL

http://projectcamelot.org/

Bill and Keery are still befuddled by all the bullshit they record and try to feed the sheeple, ,

[Gale]

deception breeds confusion, confusion breeds insanity

:rolllaugh:

Their drama and hissy fits.

[Norval]

, , , as of today we have a combined total hits of our threads of , , , 51,849
our War thread has 19,694 hits now, , ,

chuckles and grins, , heh heh heh heh heh