A discussion about the et/Jesus connection

[Cookie]

I would like to hear your opinions. I have mine but, I'll save them for later.

When I think about Jesus, I think of the circumstances that surrounded his birth, from the 'angelic' annunciation to his ascension.

What made Jesus the Savior of Man? Was it his physical presence or the indwelling Christ Consciousness?

Was Jesus a hybrid? Was Mary implanted with "divine" (et) seed? Is that how Mary maintained her virginity, as far as Jesus was concerned?

How many times has the Christ Consciousness been implanted on earth?

Did Jesus experience a physical death on the cross? If so, did he really HAVE to die for our sins? This is the part of the story that I have a hard time believing..

What other names is Jesus known by .. from other implantations.

Norval, I know you'll say 'read the document'..
.. tic toc..
Time is short.. too short to start from scratch! All is connected. I would like to here your views on where and when the connection are made.

[Bobbi]

Let's look at an analogy for a minute. Say, for example, one sits and reads the newspaper every morning, say for about 30 minutes or so. In that same amount of time, one can read the document in under a year, much less if you read a chapter as well during lunch break, another before going to bed, relaxing after chores with a cup of coffee, etc. - put all those 15-30 minute breaks together and VOILA, you're finished. If you read it like a novel, you become engrossed in the story, the characters, the message. It continues to amaze me that I knew the answers way back when, I simply hadn't applied it - religion wouldn't allow me to step outside "it's" box. While reading, you will find that some part of it will impact you above and beyond all else. That's when you sit, heart pounding, and realization dawns with the "Oh Shit" syndrome.

Another thing I just learned in my studies, and one which you referenced earlier in another thread about an angry god, is that not all the people referenced in the document are human - the bad ETs were prevalent throughout their societies, just exactly as they are today - look around - their vileness and inhumanity abound.
I understand the daunting concept of reading a document of this size, but it really does hold your answers. One thing to remember, in my opinion, above all else, is to employ technology into the story. It's been my position since I was a kid and started reading the document.

But I will comment on one of your questions. Was Jesus a hybrid? Again, employ technology. I'm certain you've heard of surrogate mothers. The child Mary carried did not have her DNA, she was merely the vessel to feed the fetus. When you take out all of the "mysticism" that religions have muddied the waters with, the answers become glaringly obvious.

Hope I helped some, kiddo.

[Cookie]

Heya, Bobbi.. I think it's time to dust off the document.. I haven't even opened it for ... hhmmm.. 25 yrs.. It's the first bible I was given as a gift when I entered Sunday school decades ago. Hope the pages don't crumble! I've stayed away from that book for so long because of the bad memories associated with it. I've been letting the orthodoxy of it cloud my head. I will approach it from a different direction.. I'm in desperate need of "amazement"! (my favorite emotion)

The idea that Mary was a surrogate has been a thought of mine for a long long time.. bad ets in the bible too.. Judging by the classical artwork, some artists knew of the connection too and painted it in their masterpieces... It was heresy back then, just like it still is today.

Thanks, Bobbi..

[Bobbi]

I understand your position with regard to avoiding the document. When applying technology instead of "miracles", it becomes much more applicable and makes common sense. Also remember the "family" tie - He's the father, we're the kids. As a parent, reverse the role and see the other point of view we tend to forget about as we age.

In my case, I wouldn't even allow such material in my home - AT ALL. Now look at me, I have three I use for my studies - one of them a Catholic one, no less, as well as one which contains the books of the Apocrypha (Oxford Edition) and another I carry with me in my purse when I leave the boat. I also have a Strong's Concordance (in book form and a program), A Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words and an ABS computer program for bible searches. Now if I could just get my eyesight to cooperate.

Check out this thread (which needs to be completed) for a guide in reading the document.

http://earthsbanner.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40

Bravo, Cookie.

[Norval]

Very good questions and replies.

There are passages that state that Jesus was alive in the heavens before "emptying himself" and being born of mankind. As he grew up he would, of course, have become aware of the stories being spoken about him and what he could become. He had to be born of the lineage of David so his DNA was of Mary and was probably artificially inseminated or her egg was DNA modified somehow. It is the male sperm that carries the Adamic sin gene. The Document states that the womb is clean. Jesus was born without the Adamic sin gene and thus could have lived forever, fathering perfect human children that would also never grow old and die. He sacrificed not only himself, but his entire lineage. Yes, the implications of an ET's conscience, being born human, then returning to their previous form, or not, Jesus may have retained the form of mankind, well, it is a fascinating study in the Document to say the least. :)

[Bobbi]

Well, I was a tad bit wrong on the DNA issue. Thanks, Norval, for clearing that up for me - spaced over David's lineage requirement. Duh. :oops:

[Cookie]

Does this mean that David's lineage was also from the 'stars'?

Off topic a little.. Why did David's lineage offer burnt sacrifices to Yahweh?
Did Yahweh actually tell them that he wanted this, or, was it just a human tradition, completely apart from what Yahweh required? If Yahweh did ask for burnt offerings/sacrifice.. why??? Do you consider Yahweh to be the Creator of this universe or is he the God of Earth..humans? Yahweh seems very 'human' to me.. I very curious about your opinions..

[Norval]

Now it's time to read the Document, ,

A mind is like a computer memory, yah have to input the data to be able to recall it, , , :)

[Cookie]

Noval,

I joined this forum to exchange ideas and information... to learn something new and incorporate the new information into my research. I was truly hoping that all the members on this forum would be willing and happy to exchange information.

The questions that I've been asking have needed answers for so many years. When I ask questions, I'm being very serious.. The answer are very important to me. Yet, when I ask questions about your research and what you've discovered, I'm told by you, Gale and Bobbi to read the Document. You folks have been reading and studying for years.. I haven't and I don't have the time (years) to do so. There are reason why I say this. I feel as though I'm being dismissed. Norval, I mean no disrespect. I'm being honest with you.

All the best..Cookie

[Bobbi]

Actually Cookie, I've only started studying these past few months. Until that time, I hadn't touched a bible since I was 19 years old. I'm 53 now. Granted, I had exposure as a child and teenager, but many things I have forgotten and even discarded entirely. We have all been hesitant to begin the reading initially. It took me almost 18 months of Norval saying daily, read the document, before I began. I believe Gale took a while before she actually started, as well. It's never too late to learn, Cookie, no matter how much time it takes. Each person has a personal message waiting for them in the document, but they won't find it if they don't look for it.

You mention you are seeking information to add to your research. Would you take the word of a stranger on his perception of the research he has done on a certain topic and take it as "gospel" or would you validate his responses with research of your own? That's all we're suggesting you do here. Do your own research, and then feel free to question on the content of that research. You will find that the volume of questions you have will be reduced considerably.

As far as feeling as though you are being dismissed, would you not agree that this "feeling" is most probably a product of your own making? There's not a single poster in here who has questions about the document that haven't received the very same instruction - read the document. What would make you believe you are being singled out amongst the membership of this forum? It's like asking us for the definition of a word, and this word, and this other word, when all you have to do is open a dictionary. Why would you ask us to do your work for you? Once the reading has been done, then we can discuss the material in-depth.

I hope this helps to make some sense of the frustration you are experiencing.

[Norval]

Everyone;

Welcome to SCHOOL. It's that simple. Now it's my turn to be a bit honest with all of you reading here, and posting.

Don't ask me to do YOUR homework people, I have done mine. When it comes to reading the Document for your selves, how else are you going to be able to know when you are being lied to? How will you know if the information about the bible someone is presenting is true unless you have read the Document for yourself? (Just ask Norval?)

Just how important is this Exo-Political information contained in the Document to you? Especially in the times of advanced technological comprehension we are capable of today, do you want to pass up the chance to understand the things of the "most high"?

Yes, we can protect this forum to a great extent from the lies, deceptions and slander that plague the other forums when it comes to the truth of what the Document says. This protection, for the most part, is on my and Gale's shoulders. That is until others "get up to speed" in knowing what the Document really says.

Here on the web the enemies of truth abound, their tactics are known, their weapons are known and their agendas are also known.

Learn to defend yourselves, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , or not.

[Cookie]

I think you misunderstood.
When I said that I wanted to add it to my research, I didn't mean that I believed everything. I meant that I wanted to compare what you know to what I know.

I don't have time for SCHOOL.. and I've been doing my homework for 40 years. When I say that I don't have time for school, this is exactly what I mean.. I'm not being flippant.. I'm ill. I'm trying to aquire as much information as I can before its time to go. lol! There's never enough time for what needs to be done...

Thanks for your honesty and your dedication.

All the best...Cookie

[Norval]

"It's not what you know, or don't know, but what you know that isn't so that will hurt you." Will Rogers 1938

One of my favorite quotes. :)