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Norval
11-28-2008, 04:48 PM
A Bible Translation or A Guide To Transliteration?
The changes we see coming upon the earth are spoken of in the Document that most would call the bible. It is available in many forms and in almost every language on the planet from just about any book store anywhere. Ever wonder why it is the most available book on earth? Think about that. While you are thinking about that, remember that it has been in it's final form for two thousand years. That says a lot also. The biggest problem is that religions have formed up around it because of the word "God". Those that created us are called gods by many, for indeed they are, in their own rights and recognition with deep respect. Yet, as those that created us call us their "sons and daughters", that document called the bible gives us the chance to get to know our creators / gods / masters, or whatever else makes you comfortable in talking about the beings that created us.
When one accepts the basic premise that the document called the bible is exactly what all believers in UFO and ETs wonder, it becomes clear just who "they" are and why they're here. Trying to understand the bible's true message through all the religionese and religiosity wrote into it becomes a real job at times. Recently I was asked about making a new translation of the bible without all the crapola that religions have heaped upon it, this is not the first time I have been asked about doing this either, some years ago I even attempted some of it. Yes, it can be done, but it would take a half dozen or so good scholars 5 days a week, 8 hours a day, about 3 years to do. With modern computers and forum software, such as this, it could be possible in under two years I think.
There is another way that would be much faster and could be applied to any bible being read today in the whole world. Because of language differences, some of it is already being done without people being aware of it. What is needed is a list of words that are "religious" in nature, but could be said better and comprehended as a document would state it in modern language. So I propose a bit of a group effort on helping with that list of "religious" sounding words that would best be changed to better reflect the premise that it is a document from the ETs and should read as such.
The information is there that ties in all the weird ass shit all down through history and mythology, it is just religionised, but we can still comprehend it, it is meant for our time period to be understood by those that have reached a technological level that is ours today.
Food for thought.
Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart
Let's go buster!.......................
Norval
12-08-2008, 06:32 PM
As Bobbi posted to me, we can start here, , , , Bobbi: Let's try these for a start:
Church =
Christ =
Lord =
LORD =
GOD =
God =
god =
fear =
priests =
Beast =
Dragon =
Gale adds mountain / mountains =
Gale adds Antichrist =
Gale adds "springs of the fountains" =
Norval adds Sorcery =
Gale adds angel =
Norval adds demon =
Unipax adds;
heaven =
hell =
possession =
divine =
holy spirit / holy ghost =
heavenly hosts =
cherubim =
abomination =
unipax
12-08-2008, 09:30 PM
heaven hell rapture purgatory ascension
cast out
possessed
possession re-possession (Wait. Not. I paid this month)
divine divinity trinity
holy spirit / holy ghost
communion
heavenly hosts
cherubim
abomination
Well there you have a quick brainstorm splat out onto the table.
Looking back, I question how useful any of them words may be for the purpose, but I 'm glad abomination showed up. Thats a good one, maybe it is useful. Maybe I just like the sound of it ... or probably more accurately I like the image of the twisted old preacher shouting that word at something like an outboard motor.
Actually this exercise for me helps identify or parse (used loosely) the overlap of religion and science or physics ie some words have meanings on multiple levels. Thats why I imply some may not qualify as religious ie when you see the multiple meanings. In other words if you recognize the ...say, metaphysical usage in a word, that word might no longer have a religious connotation for you. That is kinda what this exercise is about, yes? Therefore some words will be replaced while others will remain, with new appreciation of their meaning.
Einstein or someone like that probably said what I just tried to say, in six or seven words that made a lot more sense.
Norval
12-09-2008, 06:41 AM
Unipax, please list a passage where each of those words are used.
Thank you.
unipax
12-09-2008, 11:53 AM
Unipax, please list a passage where each of those words are used.
Thank you.
Passages ? Is this a quiz?
I do not know that any of them are in any passages.
I dont know any passages. I have not read much of the Document, and what little I read was long ago and forgotten, in case you're wondering. Thats partly why I find your transliteration idea interesting.
I went for words which seemed religious in nature, as you indicated.
Norval
12-09-2008, 05:08 PM
you have misunderstood the intent of this work it seems, , , ,
unipax
12-09-2008, 10:03 PM
you have misunderstood the intent of this work it seems, , , ,
(a).....By "this work" do you mean the transliteration project of this one thread ?
(b).....Or by "this work" do you refer to the overall work you and Gale have ongoing for years ?
Set me straight please. I am here because I'm interested in learning about it.
I think that by "this work" you mean item (b).
I do not have a complete understanding of it. Rather than say that I misunderstand it, it would be more accurate to say that I dont understand it except for the following bits I have gleaned.
Here is what I got so far;
* TPTB cannot disclose because it means revealing they got into cahoots with a bad crowd, the BETs.
Also disclosure means we would know about the war (s?), and who is who etc...the whole story. Some of TPTB themselves are BETs or hybrids or clones or possessed zombies or whatever. Nothing surprises me.
But I think I may be missing something else about this disclosure point.
* War ended recently, around a hundred yrs ago or less. Astronomers noted clouds rising on Mars that may have been from nuclear weapons.
Some BETs fled to earth and swindled our planet's gullible greedy governments. Earth is a prison planet.
* Our creator(s?) are ETs, (either Bet or GET, I'm not sure). It is they that are written about in the Document. Jesus is King.
* King Jesus & Co are gonna show up soon in his 1500 mile ship and the BETs and others are gonna flee to their DUMBs and be isolated there for 1000 yrs.
* At some point after destruction by fire, and mopping up (7 years?) it will be resurrection time and we will be restored and 'forever young'.
Well... its almost embarassing that I have only those bits, but I only started catching on just very recently. Maybe I got a few more that I forgot to include, but those are the bulk of my understanding so far. Anyway, thanks for figuring it out and sharing it.
It now makes sense to me that all of the supposed disclosers and interviewees are all dancing around this info but none of them are pointing in this direction. Indeed they are pointing away from it. Maybe some of them know it and others dont even know it. Maybe many of them are just following orders for a paycheck and dont know this stuff due to compartmentalization. When someone insists that there are multiple timelines because they read an interview of a "top military source", maybe that source is lying, or justy believing and repeating a lie, or is just taking orders for a paycheck or so their family wont be killed. One thing I sure took to heart a while ago is: "lies at every level" and that maxim is still one of the best tools in my navigation kit. Discernment and questioning are our friends.
unipax
12-09-2008, 10:13 PM
add:
They have been conditioning people in various ways for this and will tell us that King Jesus is a bad guy when he arrives, so that we will support their war on him.
Maybe by then they will have disclosed their fleet so we will not be so shocked when they roll it out.
maybe this is related to the Fake Alien Invasion Von Braun told his friend Dr Carol about (forgetting her last name, from disclosure project)
Rosin
unipax
12-09-2008, 11:28 PM
you have misunderstood the intent of this work it seems, , , ,
add:
Like I ever knew or heard the intent ?
If it was stated I missed it.
I'd like to know it please as that would be a helpful piece for understanding this work.
:)
A 'mission statement' kinda thing comes to mind .....
I would suggest reading the OP 3rd paragraph.
Norval
12-10-2008, 08:19 AM
Yes Unipax,
You have the basics of what we are trying to get out to all that will listen (your post #8), or can comprehend, as we are now in the time when many (most) are prevented from understanding.
What we are proposing here is to make a transliteration base of words that can be used with any bible to make it easier to understand as a Document with out the religious overtones. I doubt we have the time to make a full translation of the 84+ books that make up the bibles and am reasonably sure that after Disclosure Day (of the good ETs) we will be provided with a "correct" translation in modern language.
To participate you must be able to use a computer based Strong's Exhaustive Concordance / Dictionary and several bibles. You don't have to have them loaded on your computers, you can use an online service like esword, or one of your choice. Or even type the words in from a book in front of you.
The words must be used in the bibles.
Does that help to clarify the idea of this work? :)
unipax
12-10-2008, 12:24 PM
editing
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unipax
12-10-2008, 12:33 PM
Gale said:
"I would suggest reading the OP 3rd paragraph. "
Norval said:
"............. Does that help to clarify the idea of this work?"
Ah, OK, ...Then "this work" does refer specifically to the translation project of this thread.
I thought incorrectly that "this work" was referring to your ongoing research in general. Thats why I said said I had not heard a statement of intent.
Come to think of it, maybe your research is kinda mostly done, and you are now in the 'publishing stage' ... would that be close to correct ?
Awesome plan ! Wow!
Thank you both !
thanks very much for clarification
Can we move on now?
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Church= Meeting place, village hall, rented room, someones house, even the pub!
Marjan just suggested, your heart!
Christ= The coming crowned King, The Greatest man!
The Leader of our new government!
Lord= Our victorious monarch, The King Of Kings!
I won't pinch them all!
unipax
12-12-2008, 12:30 PM
Can we move on now?
I reckon so
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unipax
12-12-2008, 12:47 PM
I do like the idea of having a loving just monarch instead of the usual.
What a difference !
Norval
03-13-2009, 08:31 AM
Church= Meeting place, village hall, rented room, someones house, even the pub!
Marjan just suggested, your heart!
Christ= The coming crowned King, The Greatest man!
The Leader of our new government!
Lord= Our victorious monarch, The King Of Kings!
I won't pinch them all!
In Gary's suggestions here there is a word that is NOT translated, but only "transposed" into the english language without translation. The word Christ / christ is not translated.
Christ, when translated, means "appointed one". As you read the Document keep that in mind as it will change the meaning of some statements in it.
₣яэđĸĊ
03-21-2009, 04:12 PM
Not sure but, perhaps I can be of help here. One of my stranger hobbies/skills happens to be what I call, "large volume text processing".
Whether it be turning plain text books, articles, etc into HTML pages, or taking large (5,10,20 Mb) text data files, and preparing them to be read into Databases.
(In short, someone who takes a 44,000 entry data file of US & Territories zipcode text file, turns it into a SQL database complete with a mileage calculator (http://fredsitelive.com/reference/ziplat1.php) using any two zip codes, and thinks he's having fun, either has absolutely no life, or is in desperate need of a drool cup and adult supervision... kinda like me! )
Ive mentioned this one before, but a good example of all this is the Vine's/Easton's (http://fredsitelive.com/reference/Biblewords.php) search-able dictionaries, I took from plain text to database. 7.3 Mb.
Then theres things like:
The Art Of War By Sun Tzu
http://fredsitelive.com/books/Art_Of_War_Sunzu.htm
The Golden Bough By Sir James Frazier, 2.2 Mb.
The Sunni Hadiths (http://fredsitelive.com/books/islam/000_Start_Here.htm) (Islamic sunni oral tradition)
AKA The 7,900 simple rules for a happy 12th century life. 6 Mb.
These were projects which took me between a few hours, to a week.
The grandaddy tho which took me nearly 2 weeks to get where I was happy with it was:
Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire
Edward Gibbon, Esq. 9.2 Mb.
http://fredsitelive.com/books/Rome/
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Ok, now what I wound up with, here is about 15 years of large file, mass editing practice, using programmable text editors. Yes, I realize that much of the editing your project will entail is fraught with contextual judgment calls. This means I am probably lacking only 2 decades of specialized knowledge before I'm worth a damn at it.
Butt....
IF there is a need for large scale, mass-editing, or a need for mass-HTML formatting and such, later on, I am your guy.
ALso if nothing else, I do have "source files" which may be of use, or might save you some time, as starting points. For instance, here is a sample of a KJV version which I've used as a starting point for web pages, and other formats. [more below]
<P>1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
<P> 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
<P> 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
<P> 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
<P> 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
<P> 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
<P> 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
<P> 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
<P> 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
<P> 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
<P> 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
In fact, I took a copy of this, and imported it into a Micro$not Access database, so I could do phrase searches, and whatnot.
Anyway, if I, or any of this sounds like it might be of help, let me know. I can post files, or arrange to try some editing.. .whatever.
Fred
PS: also I have a text/HTML based copy of something called "The King James Apocrypha HTML Bible", put together by someone named John Hurt, out of Elmwood, Tn. and a text/html copy of "The Project Gutenberg Press Deuterocanonical Books of the Bible", as well.
₣яэđĸĊ
03-21-2009, 04:20 PM
PPS: I also have an Access Db containing 2,600 Hebrew bible names, and their meanings, if you want a copy.
Maybe a 5,600 entry gaelic dictionary?
Hey! How about a nice lookin Rolex? Only $40 !
Norval
03-21-2009, 04:55 PM
wow, , , , thinking, , , , , thinking, , ,
₣яэđĸĊ
03-22-2009, 01:34 PM
wow, , , , thinking, , , , , thinking, , ,
LoL !!
After seeing what you have at hand in the other post, just getting started here, I guess it took a while to even stop laughing.
however I did send you a message with a link to some file listings, if yer curious.
Fred
Norval
03-24-2009, 05:43 PM
Not laughing at all here Fred, except with yer jocularity and that cute butt guy.
Thanks for the info about what you have available. Whoever knows just what info will come in handy and when? In a project like this, your skills would be very necessary indeed and greatly appreciated.
This would be one hell of a job, a new translation, without religious overtones. What is generally called hermeneutics, or the flavor of the language, it's idioms and general everyday usage, must be well understood. Of this, I am but an amateur as I don't read, speak or write any of the ancient languages. While I may be acknowledged as of some worth by the PTB, e.g.. their expenditure in watching me, Gale too now, and over me / us, in the esoteric and clandestine ways we have received information, so they at least show me that we are on a track that has all of them highly interested, to say the least. Does that qualify me or any of us for such a task? Hell no. It was actually Gary that suggested this some time ago and even Michael of AV and I discussed this to some extent. But I have thought about it for some years now, too.
It is only now that we can even attempt such a new translation of the bible, yet we are so close to D-Day (disclosure of the true ET and UFO pseudo religious gods etc.) that should we even attempt it? After all, in a very short time, and yes, it could be now that those ships show up (look up lately?), the truth will be undeniable because of all eyes being able to look up and see "them". So, should we take the time to do that, or possibly the other project I have been thinking about and have asked your opinions on, too? The video segments of what Gale and I have learned and you all are so interested in and where it may damn well take us? So, two projects and I am leaning towards the video presentation of what we are learning.
unipax
03-25-2009, 02:03 AM
Did you say video ?
Hear ! Hear !
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Norval
03-25-2009, 09:11 AM
Well now Unipax, that would be a See! See! and a Hear! Hear! :lol:
Or in our case a Sea! Sea! :) It would appear that ye have a bit of Stockholm Tar in ye veins.
It is my hope that we can interest a couple / few others into helping in the modernizing of the bible. The most difficult part is in the proofreading and rereading and rereading being very time consuming. Gale, I and others have only been working on this concept for a comparatively short time. As we have seen from some of the information out there, that a few of the christian preacher types are starting to make the connection of bible UFO / ETs. Are there others, maybe of the Jewish and Muslim old testament only types, that also have made the connection? Or, are most of them lost in their religions, possibly just front agents or bets looking to twist ones away from the rest of the story and evidence? If there are some real hearted ones, can they be interested in checking out what we have to offer in the way of what we have researched? In truth, once one has made the connection with the bible ET thing and is relatively free of religious dogmatic beliefs, the rest of what we have discovered falls right into place.
Kind of thinking aloud here, , , , , , :)
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