Gobekli Tepe found in 1994

[unipax]

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I never heard of Gobekli Tepe before ....

In Turkey, ruins are supposedly 12000+ yrs old, which changes everything the authorities have told the people.

(Same goes for the age of the sphinx theory which dates the sphinx at 10-50K yrs old because there has not been enough rain at Giza to erode the sphinx in 'recorded' 'official' history.)

Gobekli Tepe



Archaeologists worldwide are in rare agreement on the site's importance. 'Gobekli Tepe changes everything,' says Ian Hodder, at Stanford University.

David Lewis-Williams, professor of archaeology at Witwatersrand University in Johannesburg, says: 'Gobekli Tepe is the most important archaeological site in the world.'

Some go even further and say the site and its implications are incredible. As Reading University professor Steve Mithen says: 'Gobekli Tepe is too extraordinary for my mind to understand.'

So what is it that has energised and astounded the sober world of academia?

The site of Gobekli Tepe is simple enough to describe. The oblong stones, unearthed by the shepherd, turned out to be the flat tops of awesome, T-shaped megaliths. Imagine carved and slender versions of the stones of Avebury or Stonehenge.

Most of these standing stones are inscribed with bizarre and delicate images - mainly of boars and ducks, of hunting and game. Sinuous serpents are another common motif. Some of the megaliths show crayfish or lions.

The stones seem to represent human forms - some have stylised 'arms', which angle down the sides. Functionally, the site appears to be a temple, or ritual site, like the stone circles of Western Europe.

To date, 45 of these stones have been dug out - they are arranged in circles from five to ten yards across - but there are indications that much more is to come. Geomagnetic surveys imply that there are hundreds more standing stones, just waiting to be excavated.

So far, so remarkable. If Gobekli Tepe was simply this, it would already be a dazzling site - a Turkish Stonehenge. But several unique factors lift Gobekli Tepe into the archaeological stratosphere - and the realms of the fantastical.

The first is its staggering age. Carbon-dating shows that the complex is at least 12,000 years old, maybe even 13,000 years old.

That means it was built around 10,000BC. By comparison, Stonehenge was built in 3,000 BC and the pyramids of Giza in 2,500 BC.

great pics and story here:

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=93928.msg547533;topicseen#msg54753 3

[Cookie]

OMG! I just love it when archeologists find something this old! We all are open to the idea of the VAST antiquity of human civilization and it's wonderful when indisputable evidence is found.. Maybe.. hopefully... something like this discovery will make Zahi Hawass allow the excavation of the rooms found under the Sphinx...

Great article, Unipax!

[unipax]

Yeah, I also like it when the 'official' BS gets exposed as BS
(assuming this dating is correct)

Re Sphinx ......my hunch is that as soon as Jonathan West confirmed rooms under sphinx with sonar (whence Zahi stopped West) Zahi or his superiors began excavation and got into the rooms.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=j+west+age+of+sphinx&hl=en&emb=0&aq=-1&oq=#


I mean, why wouldnt "they" pursue it...wasnt it Cayce's predictions that there were rooms there containing records and goodies ?

[Cookie]

Hawass gets so offended when its suggested that the ancient Egyptians may have had a little 'help' with the pyramids... I get the impression that he's just playing a game tho.. I'm pretty sure that they know what's under the Sphinx


2. Tunnels & Chambers Under The Great Sphinx

(I) In a series of expeditions between 1991 and 1993 led by John Anthony West, and independent Egyptologist, scientific investigators conducted geological and seismic surveys around the Great Sphinx of Egypt. The chief geologist was Dr. Robert Schoch, Professor of Geology at Boston University, and the chief seismologist was Thomas Dobecki from the highly-respected Houston consulting firm, McBride-Ratclif & Associates.

(II) The team's conclusions were as follows:

A. Geology, The pattern of erosion on the Sphinx indicates that it was carved at the end of the last Ice Age, when heavy rains fell in the eastern Sahara - perhaps more than 12,000 years ago. This contrasts starkly with the 'orthodox' Egyptological dating for the Sphinx of around 4,500 years ago.

B. Seismography. The seismic survey indicated the existence of several unexplored tunnels and cavities in the bedrock beneath the Sphinx, including a large rectangular chamber at a depth of some 25 feet beneath the monuments front paws.follow link to article (http://www.lyghtforce.com/Giza/index.html)

Remember when robotics engineer Rudolf Gantenbrink used a robot with a camera to explore a shaft in the Great Pyramid and found a doorway? Hawass has banned him from the pyramid... I used to have a lot of respect for Hawass many years ago, but, he has the same mindset as all old school Egyptologist..

The 'therianthrope' images carved on the stone in your post are fascinating.. have you ever noticed that animal-headed 'gods' are a common theme in the art of ancient man.. I'm wondering if all ancient civilizations dabbled with the ingestion of hallucinogenic plants! Plants that contain trytamines produce very simular 'experiences'..People seem to see the same sort of 'beings'. Very interesting!

[unipax]

... I used to have a lot of respect for Hawass many years ago, but, he has the same mindset as all old school Egyptologist..

Here's what I think:
They put as many of their people as possible worldwide in key positions of power and even non-key positions. They are wacko psychopaths obsessed with domination, not just global domination either.
They would put people high up in USGS for example, to mess with or impede the work of legit earth scientists. Geologist Shoch's conclusion about age of sphinx comes to mind as an example of legit research, although USGS did not mess with him as far as I know. I recall Hoagland mentioning how USGS could mess with earth scientists that got too close to sensitive areas of forbidden science, even related to Mars.
Approx 19.5 zillion years ago, on the Art Bell show, I heard Hoagland say that as a foreign exchange student, Zahi Hawass lived in Wash DC with the family of a big masonic honcho guy.
To me it is like "of course" that the head of Egyptian antiquities would be one of their web of gatekeepers.

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.. I'm wondering if all ancient civilizations dabbled with the ingestion of hallucinogenic plants! Plants that contain trytamines produce very simular 'experiences'..People seem to see the same sort of 'beings'. Very interesting!

Terence McKenna's research found that he and his associate DMT researchers generally reported encountering the same gang of critters. He gave a description of one type of the DMT critters as something like: ' iridescent bejeweled self-dribbling basketballs '

[unipax]

Remember when robotics engineer Rudolf Gantenbrink used a robot with a camera to explore a shaft in the Great Pyramid and found a doorway? Hawass has banned him from the pyramid...

yep,

that banishment and Jon West's banishment suggests a pattern of letting researchers in to do the work for Zahi & his masters, then they boot the researchers and grab the goodies.
Clever, if you're evil.

....although frankly I wonder why they'd let legit researchers in to do the work, since what Gantenbrink and West did were chores the nasty critters could have easily done themselves
........ oh wait, I forgot, they are compulsive psychopaths.
...... plus they can always record (for future use) the measure of public response when word gets out about their using and abusing the legit researchers.
I think they are always recording public response to every little thing that happens, whether it is one of their ops or just stuff that happens by accident or by legit natural disaster, for example

[Norval]

Just wanted to pop in and say that this is interesting. I'll add some content soon to this discussion. :)

[Cookie]

Terence McKenna's research found that he and his associate DMT researchers generally reported encountering the same gang of critters. He gave a description of one type of the DMT critters as something like: ' iridescent bejeweled self-dribbling basketballs '

I'm thinking that hallucinogenic plants were a large influence on ancient man's art.. These plants were probably only ingested by priests and shamans..but, the art derived from these 'trips' was passed down and became the myths of various cultures around the world.

DMT Article/Site (http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/dmt.html)

My train of thought has taken me back to another post...(I'm trying to add things up to see if they make sense!)


I think that BETs are trying to control the first few layers of our 'selves'. When the unfortunate, such as myself, are abducted by these detestable beings, most of the time our physical self remains untouched. It is our 'other' self that is taken. This 'other' self functions just the same way I do in (my other) reality.

IMO, the BETs are without physical form.. most of them. I think they are the souls of the cursed Nephilim. I believe the fallen angels are physical. They would have to be to mate with human females. Getting off topic... again!

Is it possible that while humans are under the influence of consciouness altering plants, they are more easily 'accessed' by bets and, for that matter, benevolent ultra-dimensional beings?

[Norval]

In our researches of the Document it has been discovered that a day of creation is not 24 hours long, nor a year long as in a day for a year prophesy, nor is it a day of a thousand years as also mentioned. The "creative day", or days, including the "day of rest" are seven thousand years long. So a day for 7,000 years is the key to knowing how long it took to terraform earth. Six creative days of 7,000 years each gives you a time span of about 42,000 years.

So, it is possible that some constructs are older than the "common" understanding of what the bible says. Knowing what the Document really says and comprehending it as it actually applies, helps to put it all together.

The Key to knowing that each creative day is seven thousand years long is by knowing that after making earth a home for mankind a day of rest was in order. That "day" started 6,000 years ago and won't come to an end for another 1,000 years.

Hope this helps a bit. :)

[Cookie]

Extremely interesting, Norval..

I've always had an idea that the biblical 'day' was much much different than human beings 'day'.. Have you done any comparative research into other ancient resources? If so, did you find anything to support information given in the document?

[Norval]

Yes Cookie, normal years, indeed. Years in the Document are common to our years except in a couple of the prophesies that are understood by the "keys" given in the Document. But, I do have to add this about your question in the war thread. Damn good one as it brings out that there are "keys" in the Document to be able to fully comprehend it. Some of those keys have remained hidden till our modern times because we needed the technology and science to understand them. Thanks for that question Cookie.


Have you done any comparative research into other ancient resources? If so, did you find anything to support information given in the document?
It was most interesting to study the "other" ancient writings, legends, folk lore, fairy tales, mythology (all so called) for much of what is stated about the wars of the so called gods of ancient times. They couldn't get along back then and, as the Document states, the head bad ET threw down a bunch of his dissenters in times past and they still can't get along today. Bad neighbors are just that, bad neighbors. If one knows the Document, then these "other ancient writings" take on a whole new light.