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unipax
03-18-2009, 04:01 PM
Is any of this true?
Or ... is Stephen Greer simply a BET?

I used to think that Greer was doing the right thing, even if maybe he was being fed disinfo.

I saw this piece written by him and wanted to revisit the question of his integrity. It blew me away when I first saw it some yrs ago.
I still wonder if any of it is worth keeping, what you guys think?


COSMIC DECEPTION: LET THE CITIZEN BEWARE

by Steven M. Greer M.D. Director, The Disclosure Project http://www.disclosureproject.org Copyright 2002



Imagine this. It is the summer of 2001, and someone presents you with a script for a movie or book that tells how a diabolical terrorist plot unfolds wherein both 110 story World Trade Center towers and part of the Pentagon are destroyed by commercial jets hijacked and flown into those structures. Of course you would laugh, and if you were a movie mogul or book editor, reject it out of hand as ridiculous and implausible, even for a fictional novel or movie. After all, how could a commercial jet, being tracked on radar after two jets had already hit the World Trade towers, make it through our air defenses, into the most sensitive airspace in the world, and in broad daylight on a crystal clear day, slam into the Pentagon! And this in a country that spends over $1 billion a day to defend itself! Absurd, illogical - nobody would swallow it!

Unfortunately, there are some of us who have seen these scripts - and of far worse things to come - and we are not laughing. One of the few silver linings to these recent tragedies is that maybe - just maybe - people will take seriously, however far-fetched it may seem at first, the prospect that a shadowy, para-governmental and transnational entity exists that has kept UFOs secret - and is planning a deception and tragedy that will dwarf the events of 9/11. The testimony of hundreds of government, military and corporate insiders has established this: That UFOs are real, that some are built by our secret 'black' shadowy government projects and some are from extraterrestrial civilizations, and that a group has kept this secret so that the technology behind the UFO can be withheld - until the right time.

This technology can - and eventually will - replace the need for oil, gas, coal, ionizing nuclear power, and other centralized and highly destructive energy systems. This 5 trillion dollar industry - energy and transportation - is currently highly centralized, metered and lucrative. It is the stuff that runs the entire industrialized world. It is the mother of all special interests. It is not about money as you and I think of it, but about geo-political power - the very centralized power on which the current order in the world runs. The world is kept in a state of roiling wars, endless poverty for most of Earth's denizens and global environmental ruin, just to prop up this evil world order. As immense as that game is, there is a bigger one: Control through fear. As Wernher von Braun related to Dr. Carol Rosin, his spokesperson for the last 4 years of his life, a maniacal machine - the military, industrial, intelligence, laboratory complex - would go from Cold War, to Rogue Nations, to Global Terrorism (the stage we find ourselves at today), to the ultimate trump card: A hoaxed threat from space. To justify eventually spending trillions of dollars on space weapons, the world would be deceived about a threat from outer space, thus uniting the world in fear, in militarism, and in war.

Since 1992 I have seen this script unveiled to me by at least a dozen well-placed insiders. Of course, initially I laughed, thinking this just too absurd and far-fetched. Dr. Rosin gave her testimony to the Disclosure Project before 9/11. And yet others told me explicitly that things that looked like UFOs but that are built and under the control of deeply secretive 'black' projects, were being used to simulate - hoax - ET-appearing events, including some abductions and cattle mutilations, to sow the early seeds of cultural fear regarding life in outer space. And that at some point after global terrorism, events would unfold that would utilize the now-revealed Alien Reproduction Vehicles (ARVs, or reversed-engineered UFOs made by humans by studying actual ET craft - see the book "Disclosure" by the same author) to hoax an attack on Earth. Like the movie "Independence Day", an attempt to unite the world through militarism would unfold using ET as the new cosmic scapegoat (think Jews during the Third Reich). None of this is new to me or other insiders.

The report from Iron Mountain, NY, written in the 1960s, described the need to demonize life in outer space so we could have a new enemy. An enemy off-planet that could unite humans (in fear and war) and that would prove to be the ultimate prop for the trillion dollar military industrial complex that conservative Republican President and five star general Eisenhower warned us about in 1961 (no one was listening then, either...). So here is the post-9/11 script - one that will be played out unless enough people are informed and the plan can be foiled because they will be unable to fool a sufficient number of citizens and leaders: After a period of terrorism - a period during which the detonation of nuclear devices will be threatened and possibly actuated, thus justifying expanding the weaponization of space - an effort will ramp up to present the public with information about a threat from outer space. Not just asteroids hitting the Earth, but other threats. An extraterrestrial threat. Over the past 40 years, UFOlogy, as it is called, combined with a mighty media machine, has increasingly demonized ETs via fearsome movies like "Independence Day", and pseudo-science that presents alien kidnappings and abuse as a fact (in some circles) of modern life.

That some humans have had contact with ETs I have no doubt; that the real ET contact has been subsumed in an ocean of hoaxed accounts I am certain. That is, real ET events are seldom reported out to the public. The Machine ensures that the hoaxed, frightening and intrinsically xenophobic accounts are the ones seen and read by millions. This mental conditioning to fear ET has been subtly reinforced for decades, in preparation for future deceptions. Deceptions that will make 9/11 look trivial. I write this now because I have recently been contacted by several highly placed media and intelligence sources that have made it clear to me that hoaxed events and story-lines are imminent that will attempt to further ramp up the fear machine regarding UFOs and ETs. After all, to have an enemy, you must make the people hate and fear a person, a group of people, or in this case an entire category of beings. To be clear: the maniacal covert programs controlling UFO secrecy, ARVs and related technologies - including those technologies that can simulate ET events, ET abductions and the like - plan to hijack Disclosure, spin it into the fire of fear, and roll out events that will eventually present ETs as a new enemy. Do not be deceived. This hogwash, already the stuff of countless books, videos, movies, documentaries and the like, will attempt to glom onto the facts, evidence and first-hand insider testimony of The Disclosure Project, and on its coattails, deliver to the world the cosmic deception that falsely portrays ETs as a threat from space.

( text exceeding maximum allowed, so continued in next post )

unipax
03-18-2009, 04:03 PM
Do not be deceived. By commingling fact with fiction, and by hoaxing UFO events that can look terrifying, the Plan is to eventually create a new, sustainable, off-planet enemy. And who will be the wiser? You will. Because now you know that after 60 years, trillions of dollars and the best scientific minds in the world pressed into action, a secretive, shadowy group - a government within the government and at once fully outside the government as we know it - has mastered the technologies, the art of deception, and the capability to launch an attack on Earth and make it look like ETs did it.

In 1997, I brought a man to Washington to brief members of Congress and others about this plan. Our entire team at the time met this man. He had been present at planning sessions when ARVs - things built by Lockheed, Northrup, et al, and housed in secretive locations around the world - would be used to simulate an attack on certain assets, making leaders and citizens alike believe that there was a threat from space, when there is none. (Before he could testify, his handlers spirited him away to a secret location in Virginia until the briefing was over...) Sound familiar? Wernher von Braun warned of such a hoax, as a pretext for putting war in space. And many others have warned of the same. Space based weapons are already in place - part of a secret parallel space program that has been operating since the 1960s.

ARVs are built and ready to go (see the book "Disclosure" and the chapter with the testimony of Mark McCandlish, et al). Space holographic deception technologies are in place, tested and ready to fire. And the Big Media is a pawn, now taking dictation from the right hand of the king. I know this all sounds like science fiction. Absurd. Impossible. Just like 9/11 would have sounded before 9/11. But the unthinkable happened and may happen again, unless we are vigilant. Combine all of this with the current atmosphere of fear and manipulation and there is a real risk of suspending our collective judgment and our constitution. But know this: If there was a threat from outer space, we would have known about it as soon as humans started exploding nuclear weapons and going into space with manned travel.

That we are still breathing the free air of Earth, given the galacticly stupid and reckless actions of an out of control, illegal, secret group, is abundant testimony to the restraint and peaceful intentions of these visitors. The threat is wholly human. And it is we who must address this threat, rein it in and transform the current situation of war, destruction and secret manipulation to one of true Disclosure and an era of sustained peace. War in space, to replace war on Earth, is not evolution, but cosmic madness.

A world thus united in fear is worse than one divided by ignorance. It is now time for the great leap into the future, a leap that moves us out of fear and ignorance and into an unbroken era of universal peace. Know that this is our destiny. And it will be ours just as soon as we choose it.

Steven M. Greer M.D. Director, The Disclosure Project Albemarle County, Virginia June, 2002 http://www.disclosureproject.org Please refer to "When Disclosure Serves Secrecy" for related information. Click here for more papers.

Source: disclosureproject.org/cosmicdeception.htm & criticalunity.org[/I]

Norval
03-18-2009, 07:18 PM
With computers you can keep ALL information. Delete garbage, not data and evidence. :)

Some time ago, many years, I decided that disclosure about the ETs and UFOs would not happen before the Heavenly New Jerusalem, at 1,500 miles big, was parked in orbit, together with it's armada. Dare the governments to own up to the fact they have been "dancing with the devils" and you will have a witch hunt like none other. It ain't going to happen, so no disclosure.

When it comes to Steven Greer and his stone walled BS about disclosure, he was never on my integrity list, it at least raised a bit of awareness amongst the following of learning people.

It is stated in the Document that the armies of earth will gather together to resist the incoming armada of King Jesus. I hope those that are getting their eyes the rest of the way open realize this. Take a close look at our solar system, it ain't pretty. It's the losers of that war that are trying to play us all for fools. How many are really waking up to what the rest of this et ufo story is all about? Then you have the blindness and those that are not now permitted to understand. Hell, I give it about one in a thousand that are awake enough ON LINE to even question anything. Of all those few thousands awake enough to even question, maybe one in five hundred may get this far. Think about it.

It's an Info War every day, 24 - 7, right in your living rooms. Lock and load, prepare to defend yourselves. :)

Gale
03-18-2009, 09:54 PM
I have contacted Greer countless time, fax and email without any response. If you watched his disclosure presentation at the end he stated something to the effect...it is now up to everyone else to do their part.
He had taken disclosure as far as he was allowed to.


you will have a witch hunt like none other

Remember!!!!
the traumatized abductees
the shocked females pregnant one day no fetus the next
stolen children
stolen adults
replaced partners
human body parts on crashed craft
..............................................on and on and on.....................................

unipax
03-19-2009, 02:26 AM
great replies

thnx N&G !

unipax
03-19-2009, 02:40 AM
ya know,

considering the gravity of this info....

its kinda ... I dunno... funny, weird, sad, incredible.. that the number of folks that I know of who know about this stuff is as small as it is.

Here, at earths banner there are maybe a dozen or three, maybe two dz.

Elsewhere how many?

On the interwebnets?
I'm guessing quite a few, relatively, have a clue , but still it just boggles me that so few see it.

I mean fer cripes sake, war is (sadly) what people do.

Therefore Hubble deep field and all the other evidence of gazillions of possibilities (including whatever paltry we've recorded appearing here on earth) how come the people that get / accept all that stuff dont just make the tiny leap that leads (sadly) to war is common, so ya might as well look for evidence of war if you're lookin for evidence of so called "intelligence" ... you'll probably have longer coffee breaks cuz it'll be easier that way.

unipax
03-19-2009, 03:35 AM
wait

I disagree with myself


I mean fer cripes sake, war is (sadly) what people do.

Actually I believe that war is made by some one other than whom I consider 'people'.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe its just me but I think that war is not what "people" do.
I think that war is done by something other than "people" ie BETs / whoever it is.

Like I said, maybe I'm wrong but I (wishful?) think that ordinary people would not resort to making war on their neighbors.

Am I nuts?

Gale
03-19-2009, 09:25 AM
Actually I believe that war is made by some one other than whom I consider 'people'.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe its just me but I think that war is not what "people" do.
I think that war is done by something other than "people" ie BETs / whoever it is.

Like I said, maybe I'm wrong but I (wishful?) think that ordinary people would not resort to making war on their neighbors.

Am I nuts?

I don't think real humans would either. We have such compassion, and use logic thinking with our emotions, that a third party interference to provoke would explain the wars or the other party (BETs) directly provoke or attack. But when we humans have been attacked or provoked we can be their worse nightmare.

We already know what is right and what is wrong.

You are not nuts.

Norval
03-19-2009, 09:38 AM
, , , nope, not nuts, just waking up I think, , the answers are there, it's the questions that drive us. :)

₣яэđĸĊ
03-19-2009, 08:01 PM
You know, I didn't come across the Von Braun statement about a fake ET invasion, until about a year ago. But it is one of the things that keep pokin' at me from the back of my head.

Where would the guy even run into such a notion? Unless ...

Why would a "nuts n'bolts no nonesense public reputation" guy say something like that? Say it in public?

Note: All of this may be well answered somewhere, I just haven't run up agin it. But in 57 years one of the things I've learned is that the quickest way to learn stuff is to simply flaunt your ingorance. (how am I doin'?) ;)


Of course you would laugh, and if you were a movie mogul or book editor, reject it out of hand as ridiculous and implausible, even for a fictional novel or movie.Tom Clancy book. Japanese airline pilot, out of revenge for Hiroshima, drops his plane into the the middle of a State Of The Union speech, killing all in attendance. Jack Ryan becomes President. ;)


After all, how could a commercial jet, being tracked on radar after two jets had already hit the World Trade towers, make it through our air defenses, into the most sensitive airspace in the world, and in broad daylight on a crystal clear day, slam into the Pentagon!

Quote: 2/24/01: Colin Powell, on a visit to Egypt, says that Saddam Hussein "has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."
Note: If he cannot do so against his neighbors, how can he possibly do so against us?

7/29/01: Condoleezza Rice says of Saddam, "We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt." However, she says, the administration will continue to apply "pressure."

Note: Amazing how things change just two short months later, even though the CIA’s analysis still consistently says it isn’t happening. Suddenly, in the panic after 9/11 Saddam poses some credible, BOGUS! imminent threat, where none existed.



It is stated in the Document that the armies of earth will gather together to resist the incoming armada of King Jesus.A pastor, now passed away, I used to love studying with, pointed out that there are actually two "gatherings", "taking aways", call 'em what you will, mentioned in Revelations.

That the first one, you don't want any part of, because, and then he went on to state something quite similar.

He was always looked on as something between a kook, and a radical, but the guy has a PhD in middle-eastern history, THEN went on to get his DD. It was amazing to liten to him walk through some of the O.T. prophecy, and point out the relationships between the descriptions vs how they related to then-existing kingdoms. I should try to find my old notes on all of it.


wait
I disagree with myselfJeez! If I had a nickel... ;)

₣яэđĸĊ
03-19-2009, 08:38 PM
Sorry, I forgot a couple things...


how could a commercial jet, being tracked on radar
When Bush is notified at his ranch, of there being intelligence pointing to such a thing, he sends the messenger away saying, "Thank you. You can go now, you've covered your ass."

Re. the questions I asked on Von Braun.

I wasn't asking to discredit, I meant the questions to bring up/support the notion of, why in hell would such a guy, say or even come upon such a seemingly "fool notion" in his day to day life, if it hadn't crossed his world as something being seriously considered?

unipax
03-19-2009, 08:49 PM
Re. the questions I asked on Von Braun.

why in hell would such a guy, say or even come upon such a seemingly "fool notion" in his day to day life, if it hadn't crossed his world as something being seriously considered?

Eggzacklee !

Werner was an insider, privy to such conversations, or gossip about such plans.

Rosin said he told her something like "Dont fall for fake terror attacks, phony gulf wars, bogus asteroid threats and fake alien invasions"

Norval
03-19-2009, 10:44 PM
, , , and now the foretold event of a very real alien invasion is about to happen. For most it is not going to be a "good thing". Turning the Document into a bible of religion has done it's damage.

zorgon
03-20-2009, 07:13 PM
Von Braun said more...

America will manufacture four enemies...

1) The Russians (been there done that, the Russians never were our 'enemy' (just rivals) The cold war was a scam to 'arm up'... and we did... and willingly paid for the nuclear arsenal

2) Terrorists (recent history... What WMD's? 9/11? Look at all those new laser toys being developed and space support systems all being tested on Iraqi and Afghani

3) Asteroids (current news... big fire balls reported weekly, lots of 'near misses' We will need some really BIG space guns for those.... Asteroids/meteorites as weapons? Nah they wouldn't... ermmm well...)

4) false flag Alien Invasion... (Now we will need that secret space fleet we have been building with those missing trillions... aren't you glad now we did this behind your back?)

Despite VB's NAZI past he was appalled that NASA was involved in the arming of space... He was even appointed to the Pentagon as NASA's 'man inside' There he saw the plans and quit 'retired' Shortly after he died of cancer at 66

unipax
03-20-2009, 08:17 PM
thnx Zorgon

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

zorgon
03-21-2009, 05:05 PM
Now then If I was an Alien commander with a fleet... I would wait for the flase flag invasion to begin... then move in under that cover and

WHAMMY never knew what hit em

Norval
03-22-2009, 11:00 AM
Based on the known statements in the Document about the return of King Jesus, we know that he is returning "with an attitude". A major attitude towards his enemies that will end with two thirds of mankind dying and all the surviving bad ETs locked up. Yes, as a Commander of a fleet, we can only guess at the size and makeup of that fleet based on what the Document says, he has returned with "great power and glory".

Based on what we think caused this destruction in our solar system, that armada will make short work of any forces the governments of earth may be able to come up with against him. And, without causing much damage to this planet, I think and hope.

I watched Stargate Continuum last night and am very familiar with the movie ID4
(Independence Day) too. Note that the HNJ, at 1,500 miles big, could easily contain all the Goa'uld mother ships in hanger bays. Will check the size of the ID4 mother ship today.

₣яэđĸĊ
03-22-2009, 03:01 PM
2) Terrorists: (recent history... What WMD's? 9/11? Look at all those new laser toys being developed and space support systems all being tested on Iraqi and Afghani

Not to mention:
Robotic soldiers,
Controlled strobe crowd control,
Microwave crowd control, etc.

And for all you "Legal Beagles" who might have missed it,
Posse Comitatus no longer exists. So any pretext to the
illegality of using all this on the owners of this country,
has been done away with. All legal-like.

Bobbi
03-22-2009, 04:17 PM
All legal-like.

And there's where the distinction really lies. These "laws", which are by all means VERY illegal, are being instituted by TPTB and the common citizen is unaware of what the underlying provisions of their original laws stated with regard to these "laws". There are two sets of governments in existence in the United States - the current "laws" and The Common Law, which are the original intent of the forefathers. They are not the same sets of laws. What few understand, and fewer are able to afford, is that The Common Law has precedence. However, fighting for those rights are hindered at every turn, in terms of time and money, as well as prosecution under their "laws", because they simply cannot allow the general public to learn that they have been duped and corralled.

Be assured, every judge has a copy of The Common Law in his private library. More and more lawsuits are being brought under the provisions of The Common Law and the Judges dread having to be assigned one of these cases. The ramifications are monumental for both sides - them and us. There is no justice under the current "laws" - only the law. The citizen is merely a participater.

unipax
03-23-2009, 02:37 PM
here! here !


( I'm pretty sure thats not spelled: hear! hear! )
( I think I knew for sure, but that was a long long time ago )

anybody know?

Bobbi
03-23-2009, 06:06 PM
Since you asked Unipax.

Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

Hear, hear is an expression used as a short repeated form of hear ye and hear him. It represents a listener's agreement with the point being made by a speaker.

It was originally an imperative for directing attention to speakers, and has since been used, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, as "the regular form of cheering in the House of Commons", with many purposes depending on the intonation of its user.[1] It is often incorrectly spelled "here here", especially on websites.[2]

The phrase hear him, hear him! was used in Parliament since the late 1600s, and had been reduced to hear! or hear, hear! by the late 1700s. The verb hear had earlier been used in the King James Bible as a command for others to listen.[1]

Other phrases have been derived from hear, hear, such as a hear, hear (a cheer), to hear-hear (to shout the expression), and hear-hearer (a person who does the same).[1]

unipax
03-24-2009, 02:45 AM
thnx Bobbi !

( 'n sure I coulda done dat meself )

Interesting. I always thought it was here here.
Here's why:
My assumption was that it was meant to identify or announce location (as in 'here')
in the room or in a mob, of the person or persons wishing to heartily express something like 'agreed' or hell yes !

Norval
03-24-2009, 05:14 AM
Based on the known statements in the Document about the return of King Jesus, we know that he is returning "with an attitude". A major attitude towards his enemies that will end with two thirds of mankind dying and all the surviving bad ETs locked up. Yes, as a Commander of a fleet, we can only guess at the size and makeup of that fleet based on what the Document says, he has returned with "great power and glory".

Based on what we think caused this destruction in our solar system, that armada will make short work of any forces the governments of earth may be able to come up with against him. And, without causing much damage to this planet, I think and hope.

I watched Stargate Continuum last night and am very familiar with the movie ID4
(Independence Day) too. Note that the HNJ, at 1,500 miles big, could easily contain all the Goa'uld mother ships in hanger bays. Will check the size of the ID4 mother ship today.


The HNJ is about 2,414 km big, or 1,500 miles.

The Mother Ship of ID4 ws reported as 550 km. (342 miles)
The smaller ships that came down to earth were 15 miles big each.
The Goa'uld were just small things at about a quarter mile big.
With their biggest at about a half mile big.

₣яэđĸĊ
03-24-2009, 01:39 PM
The citizen is merely a participater.

Corporations are "Citizens".

We are merely "consumers".

Took them about 120 years to accomplish this, but they're duck in like tics.

Mostly because no one else wants to take the time or trouble to be a citizen, anymore.

"It may be that the American people are no longer educated, or interested enough to maintain a free society." Paul Craig Roberts - PhD economics

Norval
03-24-2009, 06:31 PM
Well, pard, welcome to the Kingdom of the Galaxies. The true lawful owner / King / God / whatever, is about to exercise his intergalactic authority. So, national power (so called), politics, economic and religious bull shit will just plain not exist anymore. There is no legalistic BS in a Just Kingship with a Just King.

But, don't take my word for it, stand on yer own two feet people, make sure and don't ever say "well Norval said so, , , ".

Wooooopppppssssss, , , , ,

unipax
03-25-2009, 02:07 AM
So, national power (so called), politics, economic and religious bull shit will just plain not exist anymore. There is no legalistic BS in a Just Kingship with a Just King.

sounds good to me
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!