John Lear

[zorgon]

I always find it amusing how people without facts make character judgments...

One thing to remember is John did fly for the CIA,something that has now been verified by a thank you letter from Congress removing the gag order...

[Norval]

Zorgon, as you actually know John Lear , I gave this thread a start under your name.

There is no doubt in my mind that he is a "Whistle Blower".
What did he blow the whistle about, or did he verify another's disclosure?

Project Camelot, PAC
http://projectcamelot.org/john_lear.html



Well John Lear and I have being banned from ATS forums in common.
He is right on about ATS being a clearing house for the IAC agents to find out what people are learning.

He is correct, what we are doing is not any threat to any government.
Bill gives thelivingmoon.com a good push, , , grins at Zorgon.

John Lear and I agree about the 2012 crap, just more bogus misdirection.

[unipax]

I will not forget the first time I encountered Lear years ago on Art Bell. It was fascinating over several nights. Then Art coaxed him to tell what he really 'knew' was coming. John sounded sad and resigned when he said something like: "Well I suggest folks just make the best of it...go sailing...plant a garden..."

That has stuck in my mind.

[Zenbuoy]

The Disclosure Briefing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc2Ef9ebV_E)

I watched this and I just kept saying aloud, "Holy Cow! Holy Cow!"

[Norval]

Questions I would ask John Lear, , , ,

1. Of the three theories on what may have caused concise systematic chains of craters on the various bodies in our solar system, which one do you think may be the answer? Or, do you have a different idea?
A. Rubble Pile Comet caused them.
B. Electrical arching caused them.
C. Weapons of war.
D. Or, your idea ?

2. What do you think of the idea that ETs may be here on the web, posting in the forums, trying to keep people from believing that UFOs and ETs exist?

I have to wonder if Zorgon has brought up this information to John?
Would John prefer me to post these questions on one of the forums he is at?
If so, which one?
Thanks Zorgon.

[Norval]

,,,,,,,,, doin the bump thing,,,,,,,,,

[zorgon]

I have to wonder if Zorgon has brought up this information to John?
Would John prefer me to post these questions on one of the forums he is at?
If so, which one?
Thanks Zorgon.

You can ask him yourself... he may even stop in...

After all his email is posted on the first page of Livingmoon

John Lear <johnlear@cox.net>

[zorgon]

Bill gives thelivingmoon.com a good push, , , grins at Zorgon.

Must be old footage LOL.. I am sure he feels different now

[unipax]

good one Zorgon !

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Norval]

The email is sent.

Hello John Lear,
First, I say thank you, for speaking out as you do.

What got me kicked off and banned from ATS, Art Bell's forum run by his past wife
Ramona, Project Camelot / Avalon, plus a couple of other forums, was posting about concise and systematic chains of craters seen around our solar system. What we now call CS crater chains. That and the fact that I have a very low tolerance for information control agents and BS in forums. With that being said, I ask for your view on the following questions. Ron, (Zorgon) suggested I email you.

1. Of the three theories on what may have caused concise systematic chains of craters on the various bodies in our solar system, which one do you think may be the answer? Or, do you have a different idea?
A. Rubble Pile Comet caused them.
B. Electrical arching caused them.
C. Weapons of war.
D. Or, your idea ?

2. What do you think of the idea that ETs may be here on the web, posting in the forums, trying to keep people from believing that UFOs and ETs exist?

Thank you for your time John,
Sincerely
Norval L. Cunningham

P.S. In case you have never heard of CS crater chains.
www.craterchains.com
The forum I currently post at is,
http://earthsbanner.com/forums

[Norval]

In less than 10 minutes he responded with the following.

A. Rubble Pile Comet caused them.
B. Electrical arching caused them.
C. Weapons of war.
D. Or, your idea ?

Don’t know.

2. What do you think of the idea that ETs may be here on the web, posting in the forums, trying to keep people from believing that UFOs and ETs exist?

Not true.

Thank you John. :)

[Gale]

__________________
four words :rolllaugh:

[Norval]

While it is commonly known that John Lear can be a "smart ass", often that could be misconstrued as just being an asshole, but I don't think he was being an asshole in this response. Do any of you? The questions were presented in a format to elicit far more than a two word response. To respond to the CS crater chains question, as he did with a simple "Don't know.", besides knowing a bit of his flying experiences, causes me to wonder why?

The ET question was straight forward, as was John's answer. "Not true."

My only comment on that response is that he admits to changing his mind when he has new evidence to convince him otherwise from what he thinks. Time will tell on this one. :)

[Gale]

just being an asshole, but I don't think he was being an asshole in this response. Do any of you?

Yes

With the wide range of topics he has discussed from Dulce (Castello and Schneider) to missing time to genetic manipulation, the whole gambit, it is difficult for me to believe he hasn't considered ET on the net. He has mentioned agents so it is a natural next step to consider that all those agents are not all human. I'm suspecting the "Not true" answer is a twist/lie.
As for the crater chain question and answer, well for someone that is opinionated as Lear to have no opinion, that is very odd. So for as much as he is a "smart ass" he is also that much of an "asshole".

Butt that's just my opinion, a gray haired old lady with three kids living on a island so what the hell do I know.

[Norval]

Quote from;
http://johnlearsmoon.myfastforum.org/sutra1664.php#1664


John Lear
My excuse is simple. I am not the brightest crayon in the box, I am extremely lazy, I have a smart mouth and a real poor ****ing attitude.

No shit, , , ,

[Gale]

No Shit Sherlock..........

[unipax]

Maybe John Lear never heard of your info, and maybe he didnt even think much about it before writing his brief responses.

Maybe he is one that could be 'awakened' if he had more info?

You have said in so many words that with some effort, some bet influenced humans can be brought around to truth even if they have been previously bet corrupted.

Sounds like you could design a rehab program for bet victims if you were so inclined.

Maybe John Lear would respond differently if a little more effort were offered toward establishing some groundline of communication, rather than quickly dismissing him after one brief email exchange.
Whats wrong with a little patience / effort to get the info out?

In other words, maybe you just dissed or lost a potential friend / ally who has lotsa friends / contacts and a depth of value which you might not even be aware of. He could be a gold mine, and a huge proponent of your good works.
He obviously has a clue, maybe he just needs a bit more info ?

Maybe its too late since you both have pretty much called him an asshole, in so many words. Why not go the other way?

I would never have said that to J Lear.

Thats what I dont understand about your approach and style, if your intent is to inform and include.

I think that with just a little tweaking, maybe you could include more people rather than exclude.
Heretic comes to mind, among others who seemed equally interested in your info, in a good way, without interference..

I say that because you say you plan to produce a video in order to educate (include) others.
To me therefore, any sign of exclusion (for example, calling Lear an asshole in so many words ) seems counterproductive, especially in the case of a 'high profile' person like John Lear.

So maybe John Lear for example could 'get educated' and become an ally ?

Previously I used the terms 'battle hardened' and 'quickdraw' re you guys describing your experience of web forum attacks on your info.

I am not battle hardened. I am far from quickdraw.
However I can understand such a position, based on your history.

I'd give John Lear some slack until he clearly reveals himself as an "asshole", which I guess means in your book that he is a bet, or influenced by bet.
All he said was four words. What about allow more communication ?

Whats wrong with communicating a bit further, just a little, if he might respond differently, before condemning him ?

How much of your info do you know that he has read or seen or heard about?

What if John Lear never heard of you before your email ? Did he?
I dont know, so I apologize if I'm outta line here.

Maybe he is one who (understandably) avoids all bible stuff because it is "religious"? I dont know.

Gale said something (to Zorgon or Sokpuppet, I think) about quality versus quantity in membership at this forum I think that probably there are more potential quality people out there that may be turned off by your communication style.
Heretic comes to mind.

I have seen before people that discover something really valuable and important, but they are just not so good at communicating / imparting it to others. ( I think maybe you guys are like that )

Maybe you guys might consider finding someone who has the skill to deliver your info without alienating the potential good audience ?
Just a question, dont attack the one asking. Or do, if you must.

Discoverers dont automatically make good teachers. I've seen that before

Have you alienated some of your potential good audience ?

Architects / archaeologists may not be builders, and builders are not necessarily architects / archaeologists.

*******

You already know that there are multitudes that are bet influenced.

OK & So ? Isnt it your wish to teach and make a difference among them?

So far, in this forum, you have the soft tail harley guy who you say is so nice to see as one who comprehends.

I'm sure there are numerous others that comprehend, including the esteemed contributors.
I think that so far, those contributors have avoided tangling with you guys.

No offense intended, but maybe you could do a better job of communicating to the world what you wish the world to know.

Or maybe you could find someone who possesses that skill more so than you do. Or maybe you could not care less about spreading it.

I think that the info you have to impart is so valuable and important that imparting it should be priority number one.

Why waste time and energy on trappin 'n baggin bets if educatin humanity is the priority? Or is it? I dont know.

Dont get me wrong by reading my criticism. Its meant to be constructive.
No one else is doing what you are doing. And no one else is offering constructive criticism as I am, as far as I see.

What you guys offer is truly awesome. You know that.

I look forward to seeing the video you are working on, and I do appreciate what you have imparted so far.

I support your good work and your good intentions.

[zorgon]

Maybe John Lear never heard of your info,

That would be a yes...



and maybe he didnt even think much about it before writing his brief responses.

indubitably... yes


Maybe he is one that could be 'awakened' if he had more info?

Not likely... no


You have said in so many words that with some effort, some bet influenced humans can be brought around to truth even if they have been previously bet corrupted.

Unless of course... the whole BET scenario is indeed a wrong conclusion?

Sounds like you could design a rehab program for bet victims if you were so inclined.


Maybe its too late since you both have pretty much called him an asshole, in so many words. Why not go the other way?

Many people have said the same... or worse... water off a Duck's back...


I think that with just a little tweaking, maybe you could include more people rather than exclude.

"more people" does not appear to be on the agenda... from where I am sitting


So maybe John Lear for example could 'get educated' and become an ally ?

Highly unlikely...

[Norval]

I have talked with dozens of pilots, not one failed to do the "oh, , SHIT" thing when they saw the images. Pilots that flew in combat areas had much stronger reactions. The pilots that actually flew combat missions had reactions that can only be described as, "freaked out". He only had to "click" to see the images, as he was given the links in the email. That's John's choice. :lol:

What makes anyone think we consider John a bet, or bet influenced? We don't, at this time. But that does NOT include someone close to him, , , , , , , , As for calling him an asshole, well, I would say that those that had to clean the butter pats off the ceilings called him that. :lol: I haven't.

How to identify a bet, or one that is influenced by bets is clearly outlined in the Document. But that takes personal research, study and time, which few commit to. Don't give up yer day job just yet Unipax. :)

As for helping anyone that wants help to counteract bet influence, we are doing what we can. We say the more the merrier. That is why we present what the Document says about the "calling". :)