Jehovah's Witnesses

[Norval]

Jehovah's Witnesses

As a world wide religion what do they teach that other christian religions do not teach?
Why? What do any of you know about their understandings or teachings?

[unipax]

Not much really. Lotsa people say they are cult-ish.

I did hear of some connection they have to the UN being exposed on a forum, and it was supposedly scandalous as it was a major breach of their stated principles.
An ex-JW was rather excited about broadcasting that discovery. He said JWs practice banning from family and shunning, it happened to him, I think it was because he fell in love with an 'outsider'.

What would you have people know re those questions you posed?

[Norval]

Cultish, yes, I would have to agree. But then what "religion" isn't?
Hell, even the scientific community could be called "cultish".

Yes, the UN drama was a major surprise to most of them from what the net said.

Banning and shunning is a stated principal in the Document. As you can see, we do use it here.

Ahhh yes, the price of love is sometimes very high.

What would I have people know about what the JW's teach?
Good question Unipax.

It's what they learned and how they were learning things that got them infiltrated by the FBI and NSA.

[Gale]

Hitler was also very interested in the JW's because of what they were learning.

[unipax]

It's what they learned and how they were learning things that got them infiltrated by the FBI and NSA.

So what did they learn and how were they learning things?

[Gale]

Have you read any of their research unipax?

[Norval]

Since the last writings, almost two thousand years ago, of the Document, some of mankind have sought to comprehend the so-called mysteries of the Bible. Many have dedicated their lives in trying to understand its writings and many have lost their lives in trying to protect and preserve those same writings. All religions that use those writings, in part or whole, all who profess a God or deity, can be assured that the Messiah is about to appear. If for the first time, or a second time, what will it matter?

All those that use those ancient writings and have studied them well, learned things over the twenty centuries since they were wrote. A bit here, a bit there, down through the centuries and as technological advances were made, knowledge of our solar system and universe caused ones to consider other possible understandings of those ancient writings. As more and more splinter groups of Bible knowledge and understanding came to be, what was being learned and understood was to be found in most all of them, but it was so scattered.

What the JW's learned is important, but what they didn't know or learn, is far more important. What was learned by the agents planted in the JW's inner circle was how they received the comprehension and understandings they taught about the Bible. It was discovered by the founding members that there were ones amongst them that seemed to be gifted with understanding and deeper comprehension of the Bible. So, over the decades since the very early nineteen hundreds, this door knocking world wide agency has been finding these ones that seem to have a gift of understanding. These ones would write in to the head office any insights they had come up with and the head office would compare them to other letters from these ones. With what the JW's were publishing in their literature, the PTB became very interested in them and how they were getting it.

[unipax]

Have you read any of their research unipax?

Gale, this is unipax you're askin here. Izzat a trick question?
Kidding. Truth revealed below. Thnx for askin.

Interesting stuff Norval, thnx

So the JWs are a bet intel gathering operation? Surprise surprise.

Valuable revelations, to me. You guys should write a book.

Growing up, we were led to believe that JWs were just nutty nuisances.
So I never looked into it. Didnt read any JW material.
Seems they put the newbies or whatever on the street cuz sometimes they seem kinda dumb or dull...maybe its an act.
Probly they run a newb with a more seasoned mentor.

...and the PTB are really that blinded...if thats it....that they cannot get the info on their own with their sophisticated intelligence gathering systems and teams of readers and psychics etc ?
Well I suppose they'd still want more, plus corroboration, even if they had their own info.
So if the gov agencies are bet infested, the bets are all blinded? Oh.
Interesting.

Good stuff. Pieces are fitting together.
Thnx, you guyz.

[Norval]

Unipax,
Just because the pieces fit, doesn't mean the pattern or color matches.
In your assumptions, they won't match.

Bets are not blinded, we have never said that they are. :)

[unipax]

Thanks Norval

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[unipax]

So if the bets are not blinded, why do they need their minions to acquire info in the various ways you've mentioned?

Re what the JWs actually learned, is that something you wont divulge for some reason?
BTW Thnx for describing how they learned.

"Just because the pieces fit, doesn't mean the pattern or color matches.
In your assumptions, they won't match."

Yeah I know what you mean.
So it is only a few of the pieces I have so far from you and Gale that I refer to as pieces fitting together, and only in a general sense. I've learned to be cautious about assuming otherwise.

[Norval]

So the JWs are a bet intel gathering operation?

No.
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[Gale]

why do they need their minions to acquire info

Obviously, it was as Norval already posted to identify:


ones amongst them that seemed to be gifted with understanding and deeper comprehension of the Bible

Unipax, I would suggest that you read, re-read and read again what Norval posts paying particular attention to his wording. It sometimes takes time to digest what he posts so that you get the full meaning. Not jumping to questions too fast before you have given yourself time to think things through.

[unipax]

Quote:
why do they need their minions to acquire info

Obviously, it was as Norval already posted to identify:


Quote:
ones amongst them that seemed to be gifted with understanding and deeper comprehension of the Bible


Unipax, I would suggest that you read, re-read and read again what Norval posts paying particular attention to his wording. It sometimes takes time to digest what he posts so that you get the full meaning. Not jumping to questions too fast before you have given yourself time to think things through.


Thanks Gale I appreciate your advice. I do read both you guyz' substantitive posts, multiple times.

Here's how I thought about the exchange at hand, and why it werent obvious to me:

Minions are blinded, but ok the bets are not, ( thank you Norval. )

If the bets are not blinded why are they sending minions out to acquire info ?

( thats why it wasnt obvious to me, if you understand )

Maybe the question therefore is....How far can an unblinded bet see?

[Bobbi]

Let's see if I've got this right.

The bets (bad EXTRA-TERRESTRIALS), remember, were cast down HERE to earth. That MUST mean they are privy to all the knowledge of the heavens, as well as the information in the document. DUH - They were there!!!

It's the HUMANS who are blinded. The bets are looking for those humans who are gifted with the ability to understand the deeper content of the document.

Correct?

[Gale]

as well as the information in the document

Not exactly, the ET's (good and bad) were not told the rest of the story, they were or are not privy to all the information, even with all their knowledge of technology and the heavens. The BET's are not omniscient, the order to create us humans and the testing of us humans has also been a test on those that are not human.

Matthew 13
34 Jesus used parables to tell all these things to
the crowds; he would not say a thing to them without
using a parable. 35 He did this to make come true what
the prophet had said,
"I will use parables when I speak to them;
I will tell them things unknown
since the creation of the world."


It's the HUMANS who are blinded

Yes. It seems to be a condition from a judgment passed down that affects an individual based on the testing of their heart, their integrity. There are the halfbreed's, are they affected as well? Most probable because of their human DNA and human attributes they would have. But a discussion of the halfbreeds should be a new thread of their own.
The Document is a communiqué for humans, a manual that tells us what has been, what is and what will be the state for humanity.


The bets are looking for those humans who are gifted

Yes, but they are not alone on that quest, the governments and religions are right there like flies on shit. It's just the JW's that seemed to have perfected the trap for identifying in the more resent 100 years or so.

Bobbi, I think the question should be: who, what and why are there these gifted ones and what happens to them when they are identified? Or maybe that's another thread all on its own.

[Bobbi]

Ahhh, understood. Thank you, Gale.

[unipax]

.... and the document was never meant to be religious ...and it was the bets that created religions ?

religion being a control program

[Norval]

Deity worship originated with the bets, which in turn became the religions of today. Religion being deception about the very originators of deity worship. Quite simple really.

[unipax]

It was kinda awesome or amazing to become aware of the pervasiveness of the practice of deception, ie a big wake up where it does not come naturally.
Apparently for some it is simply 'the way of life', as with a "psychopath" for example

In a discussion about 9/11, it was observed that some people who are strangers to deception sometimes have to pause and shift gears in order to wrap their mind around it at first.
It is an initial incomprehension. I encounter now it in conversations which involve recognition of deception in the world. Significance of deception cannot be overemphasized, IMO. Still now it is kinda like a speed bump every time I remember to use the filter marked "deception detector". And then I can be further amazing because of the layers of deception sometimes encountered.

[Norval]

As Will Rogers said;
"It's not what you know, or don't know, but what you know that isn't so that will hurt you."

Thus the JWs got "hurt".

Sometimes I am at a loss for words on how to say some things. There are many aspects of what they know and teach that are correct. Shortly after W.W.II they were infiltrated by agents (government types) but the agents could only get so far, as there were specific requirements to get into the offices of control. One had to be of those that have this gift of comprehension and insight into the writings. Or, somehow the requirements had to be changed. The same reason why bets could only get so far into the control aspects of the leaders too.

It was the failure of their leaders to "listen" to what the ones with insight were writing to them. Instead, those with the ability to comprehend the writings were being deceived. Most with the insight became aware of this and tried to get changes made. They were kicked out and banned because of their attempts.

I write of these things because that religion was the last big push to make known some of the truth that is in the Document. No, they didn't have all of the knowledge that we do today. It wasn't time for some things to be known. All things must take place at the appointed time. Mankind had to advance technologically to the point where they could understand. :bananen_smilies015:

[Gale]

Their database on cdrom was handy for word searches. It includes their Insight Into the Scriptures and all the tiny books they publish such as "The Truth that leads to Eternal Life", which is good reading.