Are ALL Whistle Blowers Fake? Some Ask.

[Norval]

Today 08:53 PM by chnswam

Hi Norval,
I'm a new member here. I had some questions to Gary. He replied & also asked me to contact you. I just a few doubts here.
In project camelot, do you think all whistle blowers are fake or some of them are? What's with project camelot with this? Are the material over there fit to be read by me & others? Feel free to reply to my personal mail if you prefer that here: chnswam@yahoo.com

I haven't seen your testimony. Can you also tell me where to find it?
Thanks.


They know only what small part they each know to the extent they were allowed to know.

What testimony?

[Norval]

From this conversation some good questions and answers are given, , ,


From chnswam
Hi Gary, Thanks
I just went through your blog & was wondering what/whom to trust, whom not to trust... What caught my eye was when you said 'project camelot protecting whistle blowers who are government sponsored' or something (not sure of your actual words). So, can you pls tell me what you mean by that? Do you mean all whistle blowers are fake or some of them are? What's with project camelot with this? Are the material over there fit to be read by me & others? Feel free to reply to my personal mail if you prefer that here: chnswam@yahoo.com
Just a bit confused ...
Apart from that, Good luck & take care.


From Gary,
Well thats a good question chnswam all the whistle blowers at Avalon are providing information that is already available on the net, it's not new, they just sex it up a bit and Bill and Kerry do the rest. A few of these whistle blowers are in place to provide people with disinformation and they are the ones working for TPTB, to keep people like us happy and throw us off the real scent. When a real whistle blower comes along, just as Norval and Gale did at Avalon, well, you saw what happened, within day's the whole place started to impload! Moderator's became trigger fingered, throwing life ban's around like confetti, so called members insulting the real whisle blower, a nasty teribble atmosphere develops around the place and finaly Moderator's start
resigning and saying they have been threatened and claim they are physicaly and mentaly sick, Norval and Gale said something like that would happen right from the beggining and it did!
Ask Norval!

There are some so called whistle blowers that may, or could, be real. But, any way you look at it, the information that we get is going to be the way the governments want you to see and think about it. From the sources they want to release it. Even the bad ETs are in on that idea. Their information really gives the information about how the PTB want us to waste our time in dead end investigations. IMHO

[Heretic]

A learning technique that has worked for me:

Learn it all, keep the information separate and try not to use it to just to find answers so you can create a comfortable big picture to believe in. Stay open minded. The reason is that no matter how much we know, it is at best only the tip of the iceberg. Definitely not enough information to know what is really happening overall. I get a chuckle from people who are arrogantly sure they are throughly informed from public domain information.

The common themes out there are based on testimony from people in the 40s thru the 70s. There is "some" new post 70s information but hardly from verified government documents and military testimony. The newer information is usually released via ufology personalities and whistle blowers. They cant all be good, and they cant all be bad. Discernment is the key.

Even whistle blowers read the same public domain information you do, combine it with what they know and learn from inside buddies then share facts and theories. Their word is hardly gospel thanks to compartmentalization. Keep in mind that there is more dis-information than there is real information. This is meant to frustrate, confuse, and overwhelm you so you will give up and quit searching.

Knowing every story, even the conflicting ones and making an effort to not throw away old information for new information, allows for a broader view that covers more ground and patterns emerge that give credence to some good theories out there. Corroboration is great but don't rely on it "only" as corroboration can easily be manufactured.

Put your self in the shoes of the PTB; the more you know about them the better. Ask yourself what you would do considering you have every resource at your command, and generational families to plan and carry out agendas over long periods of time.

It is a daunting task, but the truth found will set you free.

[chnswam]

Thanks Norval & I thank everyone here for their inputs. I agree with Gary & like Heretic's approach.
Norval, I meant what was your whistle blower information that started it all at Avalon. I was not a member there until recently signing up there. Have you already discussed it here, so that you can just provide a link here.
Of all the people there, I liked Michael St.Clair & David Wilcock and their interviews very much.
I need your opinions on this too please: I'm also considering buying St.Clair's book 'Light seeds' to present to someone. Any idea or suggestion on this.

[Norval]

chnswam
These threads at PAC tell the story Gale and I presented to Avalon / Camelot.

The Bible, It's About Disclosure
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2094
The Bible, Our Conclusion by Norval and Gale
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5854
The Bibles Signs in our Sky's.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5187
Recent War in our Solar System by Norval and Gale.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3194
Calm down and read it.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4423
Search for Truth - Amnesty or Vengeance?
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3264
The Open letter to Bill and Kerry
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4115

Some of the information from our presentation on PAC's forum is here at Earth's Banner, not all of it. Our "Whistle Blower" information is the research Gale and I have done on the Document (bible) as a non religious work from our ET Creators.


Of all the people there, I liked Michael St.Clair & David Wilcock and their interviews very much.I need your opinions on this too please: I'm also considering buying St.Clair's book 'Light seeds' to present to someone. Any idea or suggestion on this.

Ask at the book store if they have that on toilet paper? Then it will have a useful purpose once you have finished reading it. IMHO :)

[chnswam]

Thanks Norval. I'll take some time to devour all that :)

Let's pray for love & peace.

[₣яэđĸĊ]

If I may, I'd like to take a shot at some things about this.


Norval;
But, any way you look at it, the information that we get is going to be the way the governments want you to see and think about it. From the sources they want to release it.

Practical example:
I did 20 years in aerospace. I made more than a few "no-see-ums" along the way.
A normal blueprint will list the part name, it's use, and then name every parent sub-assembly, up to the actual plane, tank, whatever it goes into. Likewise the actual parts documentation will list every person who made so much as a scratch, in making it, who inspected each operation, who packaged it, etc etc, damned near down to who dug the ore for it out of the ground.

Now, when you see a blueprint for a "no-see-um" or classified project what you'll see is something like this:
Jet Propulsion Laboratories:
Project: 12
Part: 9
Thats it! Compartmentalization is rampant!

And one of the best/truest sayings I read over at Camelot was this: "The lie is different at every level."

One of the things I used to do for entertainment, and since I had absolutely no official classification, security-wise, therefore nothing to lose, was to talk to the jokers who'd drop by to check on their stuff. Just to see how much I could get them to let out. (Hey, it was sport)

Most of the time, these guys were very specifically prepped. They didnt know squat beyond how to tell if their parts were progressing properly. If that!
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Because I am usually on my laptop, sitting in the den, I have not watched videos at Camelot, but I have read nearly every single interview where a transcript is available. In my opinion most of the people interviewed are very sincere. Seem to be who they say they are, and know what they know.

That said discernment/judgement is still the key. remember: "The lie is different at every level." Some only know their small compartment. Some only let out what they know they can without disappearing. Some are letting out what they're told to. I am not the person to make that judgement. Do what I did, rely on your own personal BS-Meter.

I have also had some experience with government when they even think there's a chance you might have something they don't want getting around on a computer.

Fast forward to about June of 2003. I and a partner owned and operated two servers on which we hosted several companies' information, Email, online business transactions, customer details, credit card numbers, and whatnot. He was the business guy, I was the programmer/admin.

Lucky for me, unlucky for him, my partner only lived about 3 blocks from the servers. I was about 50 miles away.
6:00 AM Partner calls me: What the f**k did you do???"
I said: "Good morning Richard...... huh?"

He said: I don't give a flying F what it was, but whatever you did, I NEED to know it RIGHT NOW!"
Not having done anything unusual, I asked, "Whats up?"

"I have got 6 FBI guys on my front lawn! They want access to our servers this minute, or I'm going to jail, and they'll get access themselves!"

And that is what happened. They escorted him to the servers. They took a copy of every scratch of data on both machines. completely illegal!

They produced no search warrant. They produced no National Security Letter, not one scrap of paperwork letting them do this. Off they went with the complete contents. Every web site. every email for about 30 people, all the business transactions, and customer info, the lot.

So, if there is something on the Camelot servers that the gubbermint really objects to, trust me, it or the entire site would be gone within 24 hours.

Doesn't mean there isn't info there to be learned. I learned quite a bit by reading some of them. But if the government objects to something in particular, trust me, they don't give a damn about the law, they'll come get it.

[Norval]

So, you missed my post over at PAC about "kick boxes"? Just do a word search for kick, or boxes, and you should find it. But you could just use this link to find it. :)

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=64350&postcount=76

But, you REALLY know you have upset the apple cart when there are over a half dozen three and four letter named badges and ID cards presented that want to question you at the same time with at least 20 people backing them up. Me? I was just having coffee next door to where I had used a computer the night before, , .

[chnswam]

Thanks ₣яэđĸĊ & Norval for coming up with your ideas. Its nice to know about such things from you all. :)

[Norval]

But, you REALLY know you have upset the apple cart when there are over a half dozen three and four letter named badges and ID cards presented that want to question you at the same time with at least 20 people backing them up. Me? I was just having coffee next door to where I had used a computer the night before, , .

Ms. Penny tutored me about the net and doing searches for things across the web. We ended up in a top secret guberment think tank by accident. The Lycos search engine must have found a back door or something that let it in. She showed me how to respond to the questions at the bulletin board and then we signed off and went to dinner. A couple days later she asked if I wanted to see if I had any responses. Hell yes I did, , lol. When we went back into the forum it was a mad house! The posters wanted to know who I was, how I got onto the forum, how I knew the answers, and so on. What in the hell? Then Ms. Penny noticed that all her machines were being scanned and the hard drives running like crazy. She shut off the main power to the
computers and we left for dinner.

Like you Fred, she got the call at 5 am to get her ass into work and what the hell did she do?!?!? (Her mom and pop owned the business and she was the IT person.) That's when the above quoted bit happened. There were more black ops types of vehicles and personnel around there than you could count. We were only searching for anyone else that was wondering if there was a good potential of another prophet like Elijah, as John the Baptiser was, coming before the return of Jesus? That caused the shit to hit the fan?

Her folks were threatened with financial ruin if they ever talked, it was a "non event", it never happened. A few years later her new boyfriend asked her about me because of her reading the bible all the time. He is an FBI field agent and put my name into his computer at work to check up on me, , , , , When he got home that night he read Ms. Penny the riot act and that my name was never to be ever mentioned in that house again. That he had gotten called into his bosses office and told never to enter that name again, and that the conversation never happened!

Sure makes one think about the coming of a prophet like Elijah when the US government wants to know too?!?!? :rofl: